Vicki's son-in-law lashes out at Lydia's mom for putting her feet on the couch. Fair or foul?

Aug 6, 2013 - The Dish0

Of all the fights that happened on this season of Real Housewives of Orange County, perhaps none was as unexpected as Ryan Culberson's blow-up at Lydia McLaughlin's mom from last night's finale.

A quick recap: Vicki Gunvalson's son-in-law flipped out at Judy when he spotted her putting her feet on Vicki's couch. His temper got even more heated from the initial confrontation and when Vicki tried to calm him down, he claimed, "She was a bitch." In his defense, Vicki explained that Ryan was stressed about an upcoming tour of duty in Afghanistan (he's currently stationed there) and having to leave his wife and son, Troy, behind.

What do you think about Ryan's reaction to Couch-gate? Was he out-of-line? Or did Judy deserve to be put in her place for disrespecting Vicki's home? Sound off in our poll.

71 comments
Bigmamma
Bigmamma

Ryan has serious issues and I'll bet he is the reason Brianna is so against Brooks. Either way it's a shame the way Brianna is holding Vicky hostage by blackmailing her with not being able to be around them if she stays with Brooks. Vicky, grow a pair! You put yourself out as such a strong woman then you turn around and let your big mouth kid and her abusive angry husband attack your man...WOW!!! Tell Brianna and that control freak, Ryan that Brooks will be at your home anytime you want him there. Why would you give RYAN control of your home, which he now says he owns? All he has to do is get rid or you and Brianna and legally it could be his home. Wake up Vicky! Ryan lied about what Lydias mom said and he probably lied about what Brooks said. Did anyone noticed how Ryan treated Judy after the couch incident? Wow....

jackj
jackj

Ryan acted like a jerk.  I also noticed earlier in the show Vicky asked him to take out the trash and was just as snotty to Vicky, and told her NO!  I think he may be under too much stress being a active duty soldier and should not be on the show.

diana.wagner.16144
diana.wagner.16144

Bet the marine's take him down a peg,you dont disrepect someone's mother EVER!They wont like that to well....I wont be feeling sorry for him either.

paul143
paul143

He was out of line and I feel for Brianna... She feels like she has to defend his bad behavior.  because she is a newly wed.but she will figure it out.. t is difficult being a new mom and newly wed and being on tv...so my heart goes out to Brianna.  SHAME   on you Ryan, you need to get your anger in check..it is not a good look for you.. hold back on the drinking..

Ashleysama
Ashleysama

Look he was wrong...wrong....REALLY wrong. All this HATE directed at him is stupid...He made a mistake...I wonder how you guys would look if a camera followed you around. Also, If some one , old or young, put their feet up on MY couch with shoes on I would be upset too...I would have have handled it better though...he really did overreact. He is human, like any of us, he made a mistake.

SnoopyLover
SnoopyLover

Ryan needs help! These soldiers come back with some serious issues and cannot deal with the civilian world. Ryan still thinks he's at war.

aprillewison
aprillewison

I think his behavior was disgusting and Brianna should not be making excuses for him. He should be ashamed of the way he was acting and offer an apology to everyone at that party for his rude and violent manner!  Not that I think that would excuse him at all. I have serious concerns for Brianna and their new baby. It seems to me he may be suffering from some kind of post-traumatic stress and should seek help immediately! He brought shame to his uniform and there should be some sort of consequence for his verbal attack upon a woman, elderly or not!

lisadovewood
lisadovewood

I want to know if this is going to be discussed on the reunion.

Melinda.Silvas.Garcia
Melinda.Silvas.Garcia

Lydia's mother was so calm and Ryan came at her like a thug!  He was disrespectful, trashy and truly a bully toward this elderly, graceful woman who was just trying to get a moment to rest.  Furthermore, even if she HAD been rude or drunk or obnoxious to him, that still doesn't mean he has to take it to that level.  She was an invited guest.  She wasn't crashing a frat party.  She was trying to give her feet a rest-he came at her like he found her rifling through their belongings!  And she never raised her voice, cussed at him or called him names-all of which he did, then LIED about it!!  He is power tripping big time. Brianna needs to step up and remind him that ALL women deserve respect.  Imagine what he is going to teach that baby!!!  What really bothered me, besides the lying calling her a bitch (which she clearly isn't) was that he started yelling across the party at VG " Don't hug her!!" and freaking VG takes puts her arm down, like she is terrified of little Napoleon!!  The whole thing was just ugly and wrong.  

Ellenor1
Ellenor1

I think Ryan's behavior and tone was unreasonably violent and belligerent. Both Vicki and Briana seemed intimidated. Vicki and Briana were so careful to keep their voices modulated--almost whispering while they were speaking to Ryan. ugh! It was very disturbing to see Vicki kowtowing to Ryan like that in her own house.

gail.akeson
gail.akeson

Brianna and Ryan don't want Brooks around...why...because he might make Ryan look bad!!!  Ryan is far worse than Brooks!!!  Where is Brianna's head?  Ryan is a twisted sick person.  I wouldn't let him near my dog no less my family!

MontanaMom
MontanaMom

I would love to see the full scene--he is claiming she was rude and caused it and Bravo is hiding that.  I don't think that is probably anymore true than Lydia's mom having said "Who the F are you" as he claims-- when the clip clearly shows that's not true in addition to her never speaking that way that I've seen.  I would love to see Bravo post it, and take away his "excuse".  I would love to see them remove the last of his excuses for his bad behavior.  His reaction makes me wonder what else he's capable of.  I realize Briana was simply defending her husband, but I find it sad the one person on the show who seems actually grounded in reality would defend her husband's yelling at an older woman over a couch and calling the woman names. 

DLinNH
DLinNH

i have serious concerns about this man.  He should in no way, shape or form EVER be allowed to tell Vicki what to do in her own home.  This is unbelievable!  Brianna should get an annulment and run the other way.  He's nuts!

SparklePrincess
SparklePrincess

Over a couch? Wow! Something's seriously mentally wrong with someone who flips out over that. Scary behavior! And Brianna loses her "voice of reasoning" title as well for defending his behavior. She's more than happy to call her mom out on her mistakes, but won't for Ryan.

gail.akeson
gail.akeson

Bravo should rethink their decision to include Ryan and Brianna in the show.  Ryan is a disgrace to his family and his uniform.  Apparently serving in our armed forces has yet to make a man out of him.  He is a bully.  I thought we were all trying to stop bullying...in schools, in the workplace and in our homes.  Brianna's excuses for Ryan's behavior is enabling him.  Get them off the show and stop making a celebrity out of bullies.  I understand Bravo's desire for 'drama' in the Housewives shows...but a line should be drawn when 'bullying' becomes part of it.  Until I hear that he is taken off the show I will not be watching.

 

Shawna_Lynn
Shawna_Lynn

Another point to make, a Marine is a Marine in and out of uniform. I was what is refered to as a West-Pack widow. My husband was deployed for six months every year, 11months in the country and 6 months oversees. He NEVER behaved in that manner before being deployed. Shame on Ryan.

Shawna_Lynn
Shawna_Lynn

One of the saddest representation of the USMC. Another sad point to make is that this outbreak was not Ryans first, a man does not go from 0-50 like that without a history, there has to be a background of anger issues. I REALLY feel sorry for his wife and son. One good thing is that the USMC has excellent counciling available for Breanna and eventually Troy. Scream all you want Vicki but no matter how loud you get, people believe what they see more than what they hear. Everyone saw Ryan ATTACK this woman in your home. Be afraid for your daughter Vicki be very afraid. Or does Ryan only attack weaker people? if so, Brianna is safe -that is one strong cookie!

Redhead1948
Redhead1948

Ryan was totally out of line. Vicki didn't help matters by making excuses for his behavior.  Vicki may be a strong business woman, but seems to be a very weak woman when it comes to her family and relationships.

seekfirsttounderstand
seekfirsttounderstand

People who are always demanding "respect" are usually the ones least worthy of it.

storia
storia

This guy needs professional help.

desmond.frost1
desmond.frost1

A real man would have asked Judy to remove her feet politely, explaining that its a brand new couch. Then asked Judy if she needed a footstool or glass of water etc. He is meant to be the host after all. I thought it was very telling how he slipped up and said he owned the house. HUGE control issues. I dont think he lied when he sad that she swore at him, laughed in his face or disrespected him. I think that is what his brain/ego actually heard. I feel so sorry for Brianna. Oh and the Jiim and Alexis thing made me cringe. HE obviously hasnt changed, just got a bit better at hiding his controlling ways.

Dolphin3636
Dolphin3636

 

Ryan is a low class man. What Ryan did to your mother and Vicki is unacceptable. He disrespected the owner of the house and your mother. It is great that everything was caught on tape. I feel sorry for Vicki's daughter.

barbarajo
barbarajo

    Maybe if she'd give up the pot could feel bad for her. You don't go to someone's home plop on the couch probably in heels just tacky.........Who put Ryan in the position of being the man of the house Vicki

georgiaofindiana
georgiaofindiana

HE'S GOING TO WAR FOR GOD SAKEs!!!!!!!!  Did he over react...maybe!  I'm on Ryan's side.  He is just feed up with all the bull for Icky Vicky and her family.  Unfortunately when Ryan married Brianna he got Icky Vicky"s family.  Even sadder is the way Icky Vicky and her brother treat Ryan...say he is not part of the family...wrong!!!  Plus, the kid is going to war for the USA and them...so Ryan deserves a little respect of his own.   As far as the "Stoner" if the shoes don't fit DON'T WEAR THEM. How low class can you get  really!!!!  People just should put their feet on anyones anything!

cvd
cvd

Unbelievable, on one side of the party there's Vicki demanding Slade be more respectful of women and then there's her son-in-law bullying a woman in her sixties with sore feet.  Who in the (bleep) brought him up?  The audio captured the conversation nicely and he ends up lying anyway.  Good luck, Brianna, you are going to need it.   (Also, even though I feel the jury is out on Brooks, at least he has good manners!!)

CaliGrlnATL
CaliGrlnATL

I just wish we could see all of the footage on what transpired before Ryan really got mad....I can't help but think that Ryan was bombarded because of Vicki's house rules & was defending himself. I feel sad that horrible Vicki can scream at everybody and continues to get a pass from many viewers!

Dolphin3636
Dolphin3636

I feel sorry for Vicki's daughter.  Like Mother, Like Daughter poor judgment selecting their love partners. That is very sad. Vicki’s daughter will justify Ryan behavior in the same way Vicki justifies brooks behavior.    

 

chatty
chatty

Wow, Ryan was way out of line. There is just no excuse for him disrespecting a 64yr old women. Shame on him. Is that what the service taught him? I watched the show, she was not in any way rude or disrespectful to him. He said the fbaughm every other word. It was extremely disturbing to watch.

motherbug
motherbug

Ryan is out of his ever lovin' MILITARY MIND!!!!!!! Vicki needs to think twice about having them live there at all. I don't think much of Brooks and I understand that you want your kids to like who you are dating, but for Ryan to say and/or think that he is the man of the house is a little ridiculous at Vicki's age. Life is full of choices, and if she wants to let her daughter and son in law to make the choices for her life, ironically, that is her choice to make. And based on the audio that was shown on the show, I do not recall Lydia's mother saying what he said, she said. As far as Brianna's defense of Ryan, she doesn't know what she is talking about as far as facts, she is going off of his word and maybe rightfully, defending her husband. I personally would not back someone that was defending something I felt was wrong or inaccurate.

realitybites1
realitybites1

First I'd like to thank Ryan for serving but after that being said, you embarrassed yourself and your wife. You have no room to talk about Brooks, you we're in every sense of the word "EVIL" to that woman. I knew from the very start that you had control issues, and Vickis' brother picked up on that just as quickly.  Brianna will stick by you, like all women do, for awhile, but she has a degree and one day she will use it in order to get away from you, IF you don't change! You have alot of work to do but everyone can redeem themselves, it usually starts with an apology and in some cases, therapy, you will require that Ryan, theres no shame in trying to understand what brought you to this "God complex" your projecting to the nation. Good luck and Semper Fi

maverick78
maverick78

I found Ryan's actions to be disturbing and over the top. He immediately became aggressive and there was no reason for it. It was a couch. Lydia's mom put her feet up on it not knowing she wasn't supposed to. He should have politely asked her to remove them explaining that Vicki didn't want people to do that. His actions later were out of line as well. He's controlling and Vicki needs to stand up to him. If that had been me I would have said something to him immediately. And if wasn't about to listen I'd show him the door.

63yearsyoung
63yearsyoung

He needs help - a time-bomb waiting to explode!!!! Someone help him - - please!

dlmccu
dlmccu

Ryan was a complete douche bag as usual for him...If he wants to boss somebody around he should get his own house and that way he can have short man syndrome in his own castle. Disappointed that Vicki let him get away with such intolerable, rude and degrading behavior..

makakilohapa
makakilohapa

he swarmed in so fast as to make sure his version was all truth.  No integrity

deej1967
deej1967

 @Ashleysama as for Lydias mom having her feet up..I am sure that is all it was...I am sure the woman  has more respect for someones couch to NOT put her shoes ON the couch but hanging over.....but even if they were...it's not Ryans place to say anything other then to tell Vikki and let her deal with it...I'm sorry but if I were having a party and one of my guests wasn't feeling to well and went in to lay her head down for a few I wouldn't care.

deej1967
deej1967

 @Ashleysama there is a difference between being followed around by a camera and KNOWING you are being followed..he doesn't have to be on camera..he CHOSE to be on camera..he's a money hungry bitch.....he's a gold digger....he married Brianna a couple months after meeting (he knew who she was and her mother was) he claims that is HIS house, he's the head of THAT household...NO YOU AREN'T...you are a renter..PERIOD!

amanda.l.bradley.75
amanda.l.bradley.75

 @Ashleysama Usually, when you make a mistake you apologize. Not only did he not do that but he continued to lambast the woman and he lied about her response to him to try to make himself look as though he was justified. The guy is a completely rude, un-mannered, moron. It's not even his house! The only excuse I could possibly make for him is that he was about to leave and go live in some s***-hole cave in Afghanistan for a year. I guess I'd be in love with that couch too if that was me.

deej1967
deej1967

 @lisadovewood me too...I'd like to hear Briannas pathetic excuses for her husbands disgusting behavior.

Peacefulrn
Peacefulrn

@Melinda.Silvas.Garcia stoned/drunks normally are calm.

carom
carom

 @Redhead1948 Vicki and Briana are both weak because they both chose thugs and stood by them. A strong woman does not choose a thug.

diana.wagner.16144
diana.wagner.16144

 @desmond.frost1 A host would have offered her a more comfortable place to rest is how I would have handled it,that way you wont come off rude,I would have never ask her to take her feet off,would have been out of line.!she would have gotten the hint.He was soooooo mean to her.Shame,shame to say the least.and then lied about it.what a thug!

deej1967
deej1967

 @georgiaofindiana missed the low class comment...but we did get to see Ryans low class actions didn't we? LOL

deej1967
deej1967

 @georgiaofindiana r u crazy too....what kind of bull is he putting up with...telling Vikki who she can and can'at have in her OWN home? NOT his HERS...though he thnks he has every right to do this....he knew who Brianna was, he KNEW who Vikki was he was out to get into that family and get to Vikkis money!

seekfirsttounderstand
seekfirsttounderstand

 @georgiaofindiana I know a lot of military folks - many in my own family - who would disagree with you - especially those proud and few who serve in the Corps.  Hundreds of thousands of men and women serve this country with honor and conduct themselves accordingly.  There are men and women who have served many times over the number of tours this boy has, who leave their families behind.  He disgraced his brothers in arms on national television.  He helped perpetuate the myth of the overly aggressive, emotionally volatile veteran and to me, that is way less forgivable than some "stoner" putting her feet on a couch at a party.  This was not some "kegger" where he needed to be policing a bunch of drunken frat boys who might trash his house.  He was on the prowl for someone safe on which to unload his rage and he found her.  I doubt his CO will share your point of view on his behavior. He will be held accountable for his poor representation of the USMC, mark my words.

deej1967
deej1967

 @cvd I agree with you totally on Brooks....Ryan is in all ways worse then Brooks!

Bigmamma
Bigmamma

@CaliGrlnATL They showed Ryan before the couch scene. He was telling everyone that Brooks can't come to the house because HE would not allow it.

deej1967
deej1967

 @CaliGrlnATL I don't think she gets a pass....it's just come to the point where we expect it...sad but true....Ryan was mad before the party started when he lashed out at Vikki when she asked him to take out the garbage!

conniehun
conniehun

 @seekfirsttounderstand  @georgiaofindiana

 I think Georgiaofindiana is Brianna, NO ONE in their right mind would find an excuse for his behavior except his wife or mother....He is horrible and he needs Therapy, Period...