This episode was definitely the most difficult for me to watch thus far.
Jeff and I have a very long history, both on a personal and business level. I have always known that at the heart of it was a strong friendship. It is certainly a challenge to edit our lives and capture the depth of relationships in a 1-hour span of time. There is no way to tell a full story with so much history and background, in such a short amount of time. With that in mind, I have tried my best to let go of the hurtful things that were part of this week's episode.
As a father my one priority is to protect my child. I trusted Jeff with Chloe, as I do believe that he cares for her and would never let anything happen to her. I was disappointed that after repeatedly promising me that he would not do or say things that were inappropriate, that he went ahead and did just that. I've always said that Jeff would make a great father someday, but he has a few lessons to learn about how impressionable a young child can be and how much they take in and remember. Unfortunately, months later, Dale and I are still dealing with the ramifications of what may have seemed innocent or funny at the time.
I adore the show. Is that Chloe that plays Jenna on Season Six of Nip/Tuck?
Ryan;
There are two sides to every story. we can watch and hear things while watching it on t.v., but what really happened we will never know. I know one thing for certain, there is so much love between you and Jeff. It was heartbreaking watching what transpired on tonights show. I hope and pray that the two of you find your way back to each other. I can see in how you treat people, employees, and your child, that you have a good heart Ryan. My best to you and your family and I do hope you both find your way back together..
Love the show but bottom line Jeff needs a love life of his own he is tooooo involved in Ryans personal life, that's not just business, Ryans partner maybe brothered by this as well, Jeff needs to be hooked up!!
I love the show. I hope the last show doesn't mean you might not be back next season. You are the one that keeps Jeff on a level keel. I love when you come back at him when he is being nasty to someone. Even tho most of the time I know he is just doing it for fun. Problem not everyone knows when he is serious or not. I actually laugh more watching Flipping Out then I do watching a comedy. I'm a 66 year old great grandmother. My favorite show.
You are amazing! Keep your head high, the cream always rises to the top and you are the cream.You are so extremely talented, kind, honest, and gorgeous. THere are no straight men out there like you. What a lucky partner you have.
Hi Ryan......
i love you jeff you to belong together... hope things work out for the best........
dont move !!!
love chloe jeff really loves her....
hi ryan i think u and your daughter are so beautyfull she look like u alot iam a gay man and i also have an x of 10 years and hes is still in my life today some day he get under my skin but i just brush him off.i know the market is bad but u have to do what u have to do to suport your familly love dom
This reminds me of the relationship I had with my ex. Remember I am just going by what I am seeing off of the show and what I saw on the deceptive website(which is still operating). I cannot side with Ryan on this one and as crass and obstinate as Jeff can be he, as a person does not deserve this from his business partner, not just his business partner but his ex. I can't understand what Ryan does not see in the wrong he is doing. There is one hypothesis I have and that is that Ryan wants their relationship to end and can't do it face to face. A classic example of getting the other person to end the relationship for you.
Ryan you found too much pleasure in Jeff's pain of losing the job. If anything was wrong.....it was that.
I enjoy the show with both Ryan, Jeff , Jenni and the staff very much. Hope you all will not break up. I have always admired Ryan for your level head and being able to stand up to Jeff. Jeff should treat his staff better and learn to be more respectful to them and not be so demeaning. Especially when he is so petty about little things.Remember Jeff, DO NOT Sweat the Small stuff like salsa etc. He seems to be selfish guy and only cares about himself even tho he seems to have improved a bit. You, however I admire for your fine qualities. I was a bit dissapointed if the last episode is correct but we do not know your side. Maybe you are just tired of his antics and behavior. Jeff does seem honest person and tell it like it is. So hope you all are getting along better... Cheers.
I have to say I admire both of you guys. I could not imagine ever trying to have a business with an ex. It is hard enough just to try and be friends......
"From that statement I detect that he loves you, and really wishes that he had not ruined things betwen you two."
To the viewer that posted this...YES! I completely agree. While I think some of Jeff's anger stems from professional jealousy, I think the quote above speaks volumes. Jeff clearly is still pining for you, Ryan. It became abundantly clear to me during that episode. I wish you guys the best and hope that at the end of the day, there are no hard feelings or resentment. And I've got to add that I think Chloe's a doll. As much as it would bother me to have someone egging my daugher on like that, I laughed. Only because the thought of Jeff allowing a daughter of his own to say such inappropriate things at the age of two.....well, we all know he wouldn't stand for that for one second. lol
Ryan, As much as I LOVE Jeff, you are one of the reasons I watch the show. I love your patience and while I agree that you should have informed Jeff that the celebrity client reached out to you when he was unprofessional and did not return the call,I do not fault you for taking the job. I probably would have told Jeff first and warned him that he would lose the job to me if he didn't get back to him/her asap. On the strength of our relationshiop, I would also have asked him permission to take the job before the client goes elsewhere. You can't fall prey to Jeff's issues. It's sad, but let's keep it real. If you didn't accept the job some other designer (neiter you nor Jeff) would have gotten the job. That may have pleased Jeff more, but he needs to separate friendship and business and stop being so self-absorbed.
This is a tough call for me. (excuse the typos)
Ryan I think you are an exceptional person and Jeff's angry because you are doing well. you as well as countless other people have been brutalized by this man and although he has some endeering qualitys "you reep what you sew" I think you are great and wish you would get your own show! You make me proud to be a gay man and jeff embaresses me. How people do not see this mean spirit that hurts people is amazing to me
Ryan, you are a pathetic, back stabbing, coat tail rider!!! The "only" reason you are remotely known is ALL due to Jeff. Go Jeff...you rock man...carry on with those who really care for you. Ryan only used you man...sorry!
Ryan,
Think it's time for you to move on from Jeff. He's too controlling and paranoid.
As for Chloe she is reacting to you your negative reaction, every time you get upset about what she is repeating from Jeff, it puts it in her head to keep doing it. This will set a pattern in the rest of her life where she will seek out negative reactions. best thing to do at her age is when she says a word that is upsetting to totally ignore her. it's Pavlovian. usually one stimulus gets a response, you take away that response then she stops.
BTW you are one hot man!
I think you may have got caught up in the money and fame Ryan...Jeff is a lot of things but at least he is who he is and does not have to pretend to be anyone else. I have watched you brag through the whole season about your business and I think it has been tacky. Not just because of Jeff's current working situation but so many others watching. Were we not all smart asnd savvy business people as you were??? You and your family are the few people I believe he is pretty honest and loyal to. We all get caught up in money but at the end that isn't worth sacrificing friends over!
Hi Ryan,
Not many exes are in each other's current lives as you and Jeff in such a powerful and mostly positive way (to be included in his brother's wedding, etc...) In business ethics, the rule is ALWAYS to respect the mentor which brought you the opportunity. I can see how talented you are and how very much you want to show what beauty you can bring into many lives. However, you should have had a talk to talk with Jeff and shared your intentions of being more autonomous, and striking out your own path before you did so. It is common courtesy. Maybe you treat Jeff, the way he treats you, is he not forthcoming to you???? and we, the audience are not shown that part of Jeff. I think Bravo would show that because they seem to love to show any negative part of Jeff, including his insensitivities.
Come to the plate with Jeff and work out an agreement which promotes both of you.
Hello Ryan
I love watching the show. You and Jeff yes have been close for years but didn't anyone ever tell you that you don't ever mix business with pleasure? It is a deadly and hburtful combination.But as far as the baby goes. ther is no way that Jeff would ever mistreat her, abuse her, or ever say anything mean about you to her. So please for the baby, don't pull her out of Jeff's life. It would absolutely devistate him. Also would not be fair to the baby to take someone out of her life that absolutely would lay in front of a train for her. I love you both. It's always awkward when relationships go sour after working with each other and being such beautiful friends for many years. I pray and kisses for me. I have 5 children of my own,so as a mom loving your baby is goin to come natural. Keep up the great business andthat everything works out for all of you. That precious baby needs all of you. Blessed Be to your family and give baby hugs work ethics. Baby has the most wonderful fathers that any child could ever have.God Bless!! I'm going to go say hello to Jeff and Jenny now. Blessed Be!!!!
Ryan
I just wanted to let you know that what you did it's not right, Jeff always had your back as you should have his, as a friend that you suppose to be. Real friends are those that help you when you are down...it's seems you don't know how to do that... He has the right to feel the way he does...what a shame!!!
Ryan,
You are an amazing designer and have been for a long time. Don't read those negative comments. It's obvious your passion is interior design and Jeff likes spec homes. That line is blurry at best. You have done nothing but build a very successful business and take care of your family. People are always jealous of success.
Ryan,
I feel there are moments in professional situations in your dealings with Jeff where professional becomes personal~given your history together. Sometimes old wounds take a long time to heal, or they never heal. You should go to some therapy sessions with Jeff and hash everything out in order to save your friendship.
From what I saw, you both still have feelings for each other.
ryan...
what a disappointment! i can respect that there is a lot more to your relationship than can be shown in the edited for tv version, but it seems there evidence is pretty damning. it is shocking to me that you wouldn't mention Jeff, at all (!!!), in the article about valley oak. even if it was an exclusive, there is a respectful way to give kudos to jeff without taking away from your contributions. and to pay for searches of jeff's name to be directed to your website - ruthless. It is so unattractive to step on your friends to get somewhere and karma is a unforgiving. jeff doesn't seem to be one to not admit to his own faults and maybe you can learn from him in this case. your "could care less" attitude and rub his nose in it was very unattractive. you are a talented designer and great father... please work on being a better friend. TEAM JEFF!!
Ryan,
You are a douchebag, without Jeff you would not be making more than him now. Jeff is a great businessman with impeccable work and great taste, his work speaks for itself, you on the other hand are a no-talent jerk who rode his coattails and made snippy comments along the way. The only thing you got going for yourself is that you know how to sell yourself and pander to your clients. It is clear who is the wrong here.
Ryan,
Where Jeff's Blog was heartfelt, sounds like yours was written by your publicist. :0(
- Annette
Ryan, After watching Jeff complain that you are stealing away his clients, and then visiting your beautifully designed website (kudos to your webmaster!), it becomes apparent that YOU are the designer and Jeff is the flipper. Your design portfolio, Ryan, speaks for itself.
Thank you for the "touch of class" you lend to the show. "Flipping Out" is truly entertaining,(and without Jeff's antics would not be as much fun) but we all can see that Jeff lost alot when he lost you and precious Chloe.
Keep up the great work!
you built your business, reputation and experience on the back of Jeffs projects. your a unloyal and ungrateful freind. and as the father of two boys, i can tell you that if you are still "dealing with the ramifications" of jeffs interaction with chole, then you are not ready for prime time parenting. I have started, then squashed, more inappopraite behavior than you can imagine. you better be ready for the future, if you can't handle outside influences now.
You should really have your own show. It could either be a reality show like Flipping Out or show where you work with your clients.
I LMFAO watching this episode. Chloe will be all right.
Something tells me she and Jeff will have a long fun happy relationship.
Ryan I have to say that in my opinion you were most definitely in the wrong about making an appointment with that celebrity without notifying Jeff first. The right thing and the thing a true friend would have done was to of called Jeff and told him BEFORE you made the appointment that this celebrity was frustrated because he hadn't returned the phone calls and then the right thing would have been to ASK Jeff if it was ok to make an appointment with the potential client. You were completely in the wrong. This isn't a thing that a real friend or business partner would do. Apparently business and money comes first way before friendship and doing what was right.
I'm sorry to see you guys fighting. You two seem like the closest of friends despite being such opposites. I hope the misunderstanding gets resolved and everything works out for you both.
Had it not been for Jeff, this show, and his personality, no one would be seeking you out. You should have told Jeff, a client that was interested in you called me because you didn't return the call, before you booked an appt. Your smug look, the reference to making more money than him. You clearly have some jealousy issues that need attention. He will always be the first phone call, you better hope he doesn't call them right away so you can get his overflow.
Ryan - Jeff's eccentric behavior make good television but must be outrageously difficult to live with or work with him. It appears that you have always been the sane center allowing Jeff to orbit in his own world. If you are the designer of the homes that Jeff flipped then you are an outstanding designer in your own right and if we were on the same coast I'd have you do my house in a New York minutes. As for Chloe she is YOUR child. I have sisters and we all respected the rules set by each other for our own children and would never think of purposely disregarding their rules.
Ryan,
Was it worth it? Did you ever think you would be the guy everyone hated and mistrusted? Well you are. I am sad about it.
Look honestly inward. You must make up for your betrayal. I hope Jeff can forgive you.
I love Jeff's work, like LOVE LOVE LOVE his work but more than that I love and respect his work ethic. People may love the work you do, Ryan, but your work ethic is obviously flawed
as you have shown yourself to be money grubbing and dishonest. Your first priority is the bottom line and there's no work great enough to make up for that. Learn from Jeff. People
like you and designs like yours are not one of a kind.
Judging by your own behavior I hope you'd be more concerned with teaching Chloe how to be loyal to her good friends and how not to cheat them. I think Jeff can teach her that, to negate the crass jokes he taught her. I know you can't.
Hi Ryan,
One thing struck me on this last show. Jeff lamented that your child could have been his child-but he spoiled it all! From that statement I detect that he loves you, and really wishes that he had not ruined things betwen you two. I don't know what separated you, but even if things can never be the same again, you can still be friends and business partners{though this must be very awkward for your Partner}. I hope, for Jeff's sake, you remain good friends!
Ric
Ryan, you and Jeff need to work this out. You did go behind his back on some things, or were not open about it. It caught up with you. Chole will be the loser since she is so loved by Jeff, Jenni and Zoila.They are part of her extended family. The more people that love your child, the child will benefit.
Jeff's dad was honest and did not take sides. He speaks so highly of you that this seems so out of character for you. If you just cant take Jeff anymore then cut the business relationship but keep the personal one for Chole's sake.
I just have to say (based only on the show, which could have been badly edited), that you might take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror.
If I had a friend and a business partner who made me lots of money in the past and actually helped me GET to the point that celebrities were calling me, I would not go behind his back to get business.
And, yes, it IS going behind his back to return a call BEFORE telling your so-called friend you were doing so. You obviously were well aware that Jeff had been called first, because you shoved it in his face several times.
How hard would it have been to tell Jeff you got a call from that celebrity and you would like to call him/her back right away, but perhaps he would like to have the meeting TOGETHER?
Obviously, the celebrity wanted Jeff, not you. And that would actually have made YOU a stronger commodity, because it was YOU who gave him/her Jeff.
Glad I'm not in business with you. Hope you can apologize.
Ryan,
I hope that you & Jeff are able to work this out. I have always admired your design skills and think that you are one put together individual. Best of luck to you in your business.
Ryan: I think you are GREAT! You owe NO ONE anything! The fact that Jeff's office did NOT return a phone call to a potential client {especially in this climate}, then that, is on HIM, period. We are ALL held accountable for our actions. I believe you & I completely understand, as to why you would distance yourself. At times, Jeff is emotionally draining. Don't get me wrong....I do LOVE Jeff but he makes it out, that everyone seems to OWE him.
XOXO
Ryan, you are a cutie and the main reason I watch! HOT! But I do understand your concern with your daughter. And Jeff had been so in charge and loud, that Im sure Ryan wants to be heard for once. Jeff dominates. Not only that, Jeff never seems to be happy unless drama is around!! Whats with the "that could have been me if I didnt mess it up" comment about Chloe might have been his?
no one would even know who ryan was without JEFF LEWIS'S SHOW!
I'm a big fan! Ryan, I really hope that you are not being sneaky when it comes to your business with Jeff. If you don't want to be partners with him, just tell him that rather than doing it behind his back (and probably save your long long long time friendship). Please tell us your side since we never know what happens behind the scenes. I for one doesn't want to start thinking of you in a bad way. I think you are cool guy that's if you didn't do this to Jeff. Thanks.
Did you ever think that potential clients who call jeff and then you think that the two of you are still partners. If you are paying Google to link your name to jeff's it is definitely a tactic to steal business. You're not as innocent as you like to appear.
With friends like you who needs enemies? Without Jeff you would still be a nobody that nobody knows. It's seems like you got what you wanted then dumped him. Not nice at all. It's obvious he loves your baby, so stop making excuses to relieve your own conscience from your underhanded behavior.
You don't think that buying "Jeff Lewis" as an adword and then routing the people to your website is sneaky? Very bad business, you should be ashamed. Gross.
Ryan, it is so obvious that Jeff's suspicions are true. No matter how far Jeff's imagination have gone in the past, this time he's on the money. Not denying any of it is the proof right there. The most discusting thing about it is that you wouldn't even admit to it. I feel that out of respect, you should at least man up, be forthright about what you did, and apologize to Jeff (only if you feel remorseful about it).
It is totally ok to want to move on on your own (business wise), but a true friend would have sat his partner down and discuss it with him. The sneaky way you went about it only shows that you had malicious intentions and Jeff deserves better than that.
I still like you as a person, but not this decision making.
I don't know Ryan. Yeah, Jeff is not the babysitter of the year, but we all knew that. You appear to be a nice guy with a great family. I know that these shows are edited to basically tell a storyline. All editing aside, it seems like your business behavior is now pretty shady. Jeff is not imagining things, there are enough examples to make anyone beyond suspicious. It's offensive to say he's imagining things, like you're using his mental challenges to excuse your own behavior. You seem to want to break loose from Jeff now that he's helped you get to a place you want to be. Not completely loose though - you still want to keep the show and name recognition ties. You even appeared to take some joy in one-upping him last night, or even stepping on him. Maybe that's leftover stuff from the previous relationship? I don't know, this business partnership now looks a bit like the big fadeout we do with friends we don't really want to hang out with anymore. Not making sure credit is shared for work that Jeff did is wrong. Using his name recognition to drive business to only yourself is wrong too. Taking business that people request him for without making any effort to include him is not cool, especially when you know he's struggling. That's not how to treat a partner.
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