I believe this fight could have been avoided if they had exercised open communication and let go of "who's right"! I'm not convinced who is right, but I definitely know whose wrong. . .BOTH!!!
I acknowledge that Mariah was extremely upset with Toya for disclosing that Lauren was adopted, but in Mariah’s words “No Tea, No Shade”! If you don’t spill the tea, no one can throw shade. I think Toya can agree that was not her story to share. Neither Toya nor Mariah will concede that they both created this situation. Ladies you have to own your part in the epic fail! When tempers are flaring, it is difficult to make a case that I did no wrong!!!
WALK AWAY! In Toya’s case, I think approaching Mariah in the presence of others and at a party was probably bad timing. I am still confused on the purpose for pulling Mariah away, in that moment, to make comments about her mother. Toya should have avoided both. This is not complicated, simply put one foot in front of the other and take steps in the opposite direction and continue walking. These are simple lessons we teach our kids, but we fail to practice what we preach. In Mariah's case, why touch another woman? Why flick another person's hair when tempers are flaring. I am still in a state of shock that "THE QUEEN B", the leader of the pack, would raise her hand to touch another. Both of their actions was a set up for failure and guess in this case for FIGHTING!!! I still am sitting in a state of shock!!!!
I like the way Dr. Jackie presents herself - in general. Yet, my concern is the ease with which she turned her back on Mariah, who had been a friend for awhile. Toya begged for that fight to occur. She followed Mariah around, even though Mariah tried very hard to ignore her. I do not believe in fighting, and certainly not for adult women to do so. I do not know what would have occurred if it was me - I like to believe that I would walk away. I do know this, however, my expectation would be that even if I did something that was not right, my friends would tell me so and yet stand by my side and help me to heal from my poor decision. It appears that Dr. Simone "gets it" finally, but I don't get that same feel from Jackie. Lovely lady, nonetheless ... a class act, from what I have seen on the show.
Neither we nor you can change what has already happened. Mariah and Toya needs to move on, let go and get over it. You all ladies need to bury the hatchet and work together.
I just reread your comments and re-watched the show. I suggest you do the same and then come back next week and tell us what you really believe. I personally do not believe in fighting. I believe in walking away as well. But I was never but in that type of situation and I have no children so how can I say what I won't do
Dr jackie. You need to pump your brakes. You were not there so its wrong to take toya's side. You may be able to walk away if someone talks about your family but everyone is not like you. I a professional woman but would have demolished tacky toya who has no social graces. No home training.
As far as i could see from the video Tonya touched Mariah's hair when she first approached her and then Mariah did the same thing later in the conversion. This appears to be a case of mutual combat.
Dr. Jacqueline, I can imagine it is something to share with the world your life but understand that it is good for you to be a friend and if you cannot see yourself as a friend to these ladies then don’t get in the middle of their drama. You are a great person but sometimes great people make wrong decisions or say the wrong things. I believe you know how to be a great woman and you have shown that side of you in some situation on this show. Don’t allow this show or anyone to see anything different from the great person you are. Be you and the world will fall in love
you said something to Dr Simone that bothered me --- she told you that she threw up when she was visiting you in the gym....did you say that's good you're losing weight? you as a doctor to another doctor are sending out signals that everyone s/b as thin as you...Dr Jackie to me you don't look healthy ...but your motto is thin is in...being a woman, you are really my worst enemy!
But toya touched Mariah's hair first and Mariah didn't react that way so y say that.toya is dysfunctional and had this up her sleeve
I agree Dr Jackie. Why did Lucy even bring Mariah's event up and who cares what they say or don't say about it anyway. i hate to say it but Lucy is ghetto and so is her daughter. It was SO takey for Mariah to show up late in the first place and she had an attitude from the get-go. Leaving Kari with everything to do was very rude. She was not acting like a hostess to begin with and leaving your guests at your party hat your not even attending. BTW...Dr Jackie, didn't Mariah say she could not call Kari because she did not have a phone? Her phone was in her purse that was in the pool, wasn't it? Love you Dr Jackie. I think Dr Samone, kari and yourself have the most class and the other ladies should listen to your advise.
Dr. Jackie, Toya started this fight. Not only did she confront Mariah about her mother at the party, she threw the first punch and threw a drink in Mariah's face. Toya did not tell her husband nor Dr. Simone the truth about what happen. She's trying to play the victim.
Toya DID NOT start the fight. A fight is initiated with the first sign of physical contact. Mariah touched Toyas hair first and Toya defended herself by pushing Mariahs hands off her. That's where the fight started, I don't get where people are saying Toya touched Mariahs hair. Her hair was done up anyway, there's no way she could've touched it. But its in the clip, Mariah escalated the situation by yelling and talking over Toya. Toya shouldn't have contronted her but I don't blame her. Mariahs mom was out of line by approaching Toya and speaking reckless to her.
sure it could have been avoided but Toya was really messy and is extremely jealous of Mariah. Toya is evil! She started the fight and threw the first punch.
If all women learned to behave indifferently, nobody would be watch Bravo. I totally agree with your points but do you honestly think that people tune in to watch you work out and dole out wisdom?
In response to itsagreatday:
I agree that Mariah arriving 2 hours late was extremely tacky...but she was keeping her distance from Toya and I can respect that. If you got wind of someone bad mouthing you and your child, and this same person takes it upon herself to throw a drink on you, how would you respond?? It's easy to say Mariah behaved "atrociously" when you're on the outside looking in. I am an educated black woman and I will honestly say I don't know that I could have just walked away. I would like to think that the God in me would allow me to keep my emotions under control, but I can't say that the anger I felt wouldn't override my better judgement, because I have never been in that position. I do know that I will take so much from a person. It's when a person involves my family that the gloves come off. So I won't pass judgements on either of the ladies, but it is extremely disappointing to see yet another reality show depicting black women as overly emotional, under educated, classless, drama queens that will do anything for a paycheck. We can and we must do better ladies...not just for our husbands, or our children, but for US! This was the first and probably the last episode I will watch. I thought it would be different. Silly me.
I guess you missed the part where Toya threw her drink in Mariah's face to start the physical altercation. You can't judge without all the facts, Doc.
I guess you missed the part where Mariah starting grabbing on Toya's hair to start the physical altercation. You cant judge without PAYING ATTENTION
Dr Jackie, I agree that this should not have happened. But if you look at the footage Toya flicked Mariah hair first during the conversation between Mariah in her guest. Now my thinking is Mariah being upset before she arrived this was the icing on the cake. I believe this is reason for Mariah being late. Toya was clearly the one who started this mess.
I am completely horrified to see these women on here acting a fool. I tuned into the show because I saw a clip of Dr. Jackie saying that she wanted to present a positive image of women on TV. Now I realize that ratings are important and I can always turn to the history/science channel. However, I had to speak out to say that this show is a total disappointment on so many levels. I ask all of the women of this show to think of your futures and your families and do not sign up for another season of this mess. There are so many other ways that you can portray yourselves in the public’s eye. Please not like this.
Sometimes people let their emotions get the best of them and this was one occasion that the emotions won. As women we have to know our boundaries and Toya was wrong for everything and Mariah was wrong to hit back. They both should have stayed out of each other way.
@Shawnie Mariah was avoiding Toya all night. But Toya took it upon herself to confront Mariah about her mother.
firstname.lastname@example.org @Shawnie Shawnie that's how I see it too. Toya is so messy and evil. She is so jealous of Mariah she can't stand it.
Dr Jackie please pardon your self from this night mare of a show! Your patients and colleagues will align you with such ghetto trash if you contiue for the sake of being on TV!
Daisyatl Oh stop judging people as ghetto or trash. Many good, smart people have come from the ghetto. To label people in such a derogatory way only makes you look like trash.
Dr. Walters. PLEASE LEAVE THIS SHOW!!! You dont fit in and mean this in a good way.
You are to classy for this show.
Start your own show "Women Doctors" Talking about the challenges and the successes of being a female doctor or something like that. IDK just leave the show
Toya should have waited and discussed this with Mariah at the appropriate time. This was uncalled for. It was ridiculous....
how sad that this is all there is to talk about regarding a show of supposedly dignified women. BRAVO!
Dr. Jackie, you are my favorite! You definiately are the voice of reason and always make so much sense. You are so smart and very classy. Bravo!!
You need to teach these other women some manners.
Dr. Jackie the best thing you could have done is to not be on this show, and you have a lot more to loose then some of these other woman on these shows. You now have opened yourself up and to the public. If I was one of your patients I would really think about changing doctors because if you are Shady in your personal life then you are shady in your professional life.
The best thing for you, being a step mother is to walk away from this because you are NOT setting a good example to her. Becoming a Dr. is fantastic, show her that and not how to be shady. That generation is already confused enough.
Dr. Jackie, please reach out more to these women because they need your guidance and direction so they can be sane to represent their husbands professionally.
I do think you are the voice of reason but you failed to mentioned that both ladies touched each other' s hair, except when Mariah touches Toya's she threw the drink at Mariah.
I am not taking anyone's side, but in reality we all have an animal instinct side, when there is an infringement on your personal space your first reaction is to defend yourself. You know this reaction Dr. Jackie "Flight or flight" response. I was very disappointed by the behaviors of the ladies, including that of Dr. Simone, so unprofessional and messy of her. yaks.
I am in such agreement with you on this matter. But I have to ask myself, "What does Bravo have in store for us where you are concerned?". I hope they don't create an environment for you to lose control. Since you are so unlike these women, how do you fit into the scheme of things?
Dr. Jackie you are always the voice of reason. I completely agree with you. "Thinking before speaking" should always be taken into account. I am entertained by the show, as of course the little situations that occur are comical and somewhat exaggerated...but never would I have thought that a full on fist fight would have occurred.
Maybe you should go back to "making everybody Jackie" as sometimes a civil mind will prevail.
LOVE u Dr. Jackie YOU are so gracefully. I admire you and as an aspiring surgeon I want to have your style, your elegance and your steady mind. YOU are my HERO!!!!!!!
Lessons From The Doctor,
I must say I agree with everything you mention in your blog. But on your next blog please do not forget to mention why you throw so much shade at the other ladies.
Right thats what I want to know, Dr.Jackie and Dr. Simone are soooooooo Shady
guiltypleasure1617 BravoFan07 Dr. Jackie is plain weird. I work out too, but she is obsessed.
The other women bring shade on themselves. The viewers are throwing a lot of shade at them, leave Dr. Jackie alone. She is just saying what everyone with any class is already thinking.
I agree with you Doc.....These women are just immature. That's the answer. Who confronts a person because of something they have said and heard yet never tells the person what they are upset about ????
It doesn't matter that you are upset...but how you deal with it. I so far don't really care for Mariah, Quad, or Toya's attitudes. I personally would keep them at a distance. I don't get why women tell all of their business anyway.
Usually, I am listening...not telling. I give no one grounds to throw my business back at me.
Bad, bad, bad, idea.
I think it was Kari also who instigated the fight, remember when she told Toya to push her in the pool. It seems that everyone was at fault this time expect for QUAD!
Dr Jackie I totally agree with you! I like what you and Dr Simone add to the show. It is unfortunate that Mariah allowed Toya to have her stoop to such a level. It is obvious Toya enjoys making others look bad in order to build herself up. There are many who are like this (unfortunately). Look at the first episode when Toya brings up how Quad's (at the time fiancé )called off the wedding by sending out a text message. Why would Toya say this to Quad at Mariah's birthday party? It should not have been brought up, just say congratulations regarding their new marriage. It is unfortunate that someone feels the need to humiliate and embarrass someone during a painful time. I am just a believer in woman building up one another and helping one another make it as professionals. Also do not involve someone's child in your gossip (if this is really the case). Toya should take a in depth look within and evaluate why she bad mouth others in public, thinking that she is going to come out looking like a rose. When you send out negative energy then you receive negative energy in return. Thanks for being the wonderful MD you are! You are such an inspiration and role model for woman.
I agree with your comment Dr Jackie. When I first seen the previews of the show, I said what Dr would do a show like that. But it's not the Doctors acting a fool it's the wives, still no excuse. This should be a show about what the life is about not how big there house is how many material things you can get. I hope I can continue to watch the show.
Dr. Jackie, you are the epitome of grace and class. You're smart, successful, and in a class of your own. I say all this because I truely believe you don't belong on this kind of show. I get it. It puts your name out there and yes, you garner some fame BUT it doesn't make sense. These women are everything you're not. They feed off drama and are completely phoney. They're trying to keep up with the Jones but you are the Jones. You need your own show.
I must admit, I thought you were better than this show and group of women and wanted you to put on your track shoes and run from them as fast as possible. But decided we need someone who is wise and level headed such as yourself that we can relate to as well. Maybe some of your class can rub off on some of these women. Let's only hope.
I have to agree with you on this one Ms. Jackie, this was simply too much for T.V. and although I am a younger woman, I know there is a time to speak, a time to listen, and a time to just walk away and this was one of those times where both women involved should have just walked away. I am embarrassed for the both of them especially Mariah. She probably shouldn't have attended the party with everything that was going on and being said to her early on in the day.
For someone who survived two bouts of breast cancer, why do you care if someone is wearing pantyhose with open toed shoes? What do you care if Simone eats or drinks? Surely you should be above all this, right?
Someone who needs to control so much around her obviously feels out of control inside.