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Bravotv.com: What were you expecting to see from this challenge? How much inspiration from the fashion legend vs. own designer’s style?
You always want to see an individual's own "style" or "personality" come through, but with this specific challenge, it was clearly more important to demonstrate that you were channeling the assigned designer and not just creating a copy of one their iconic looks, but truly adapting it and making it modern.
It is not unlike the challenge many of today's top designers have when hired to "resuscitate" or bring back a legendary label.
Bravotv.com: Which looks stood out to you for better or for worse? Do you agree with the audience’s favorites?
I completely agree that Johnny hit this one on the head! He made a young, wearable sexy interpretation of Gianni Versace. Johnny did Gianni.
I think Haven lost because she was in fact thrilled that she got YSL. It was a gift from her buddy ... and she seemed quite confident that she knew what that was all about, and yet she missed the mark by a mile!!
Bravotv.com: Reco started crying — what was your reaction to that?
I believe it was sincere, as he is usually quite cocky and unflappable. He had a real sense that it may be over for him and I think it surprised him. It took the "wind from his sails" ... and he needed to all of a sudden get real and honestly express how much it meant to him to be there, and admit his flaws ... and lack of any fashion knowledge or history. He quickly saw that could be a real issue for him.
I didn’t, however sway my opinion one way or the other, but I genuinely felt bad for him. It was a real human moment (or else I am a sucker and he’s a great actor!)
Bravotv.com: How important is it that designers study fashion history?
It is important to understand the history and background of any job, or craft, or skill. How can you ever succeed without knowing what came before? It may not be necessary for a “history class on fashion," but look at books, at old magazines, movies, and so forth and get a sense of what was what and where the influences came from. It is important, and education should never be underestimated!
Bravotv.com: Peter Som asked whether it was worse to know history and do a poor job or to be ignorant? What do you think?
There can never be any real justification for “ignorance” … however I have always believed in some ways that “ignorance is bliss," but only for so long. There are situations where people just have not had the access or opportunity to get the information others have.
I do believe though to know the history, and then not apply it correctly is a real problem. Haven was the embodiment of that problem … she happily responded to her challenge with an attitude of knowing it so well … and yet she really didn’t show that . She knew the subject matter well and did a poor job — and she lost.
Bravotv.com: You asked Anna how she chose which designer would be inspired by whom ... Do you think she sabotaged any of the designers at all?
She absolutely did. I once again did not see the Mini Challenge, or see how they each reacted to seeing these iconic dresses the first time … and I only knew what I saw on the runway and the explanations I heard in our elimination session. It was quite clear to me that she played favorites, giving some of her friends the edge, which actually backfired, and she played into Rieo not knowing Halston, and Merlin – Madame Gres ….
I realise it’s a competition, but I would have liked to see her be more magnanamous.
I also think in all fairness, the dresses that were provided by the vintage gallery were not in all instances great representations of those iconic designers' most important or influential looks.
I was sick at heart last night to see Haven sent home! Okay, so it was not the best representation of YSL, but how can Rico be in the fashion industry and not know who Halston was? And that dress he made; YIKES!!! She looked like a confused Dominatrix at the Renaissance Fair! It was not right. I don't care for Rico and his nasty attitude, but he does have the chops to design well, so what happened last night? Honestly, I think Haven deserved another chance.
It would be nice if Merlin's mouth could be reigned in. When he calls the women "bitches" it's not in any way cute. It is nasty and demeaning. Since the fashions are for women, it would be nice if there was some respect for women. I am finding it hard to watch. Nastiness is apparently the hallmark of Bravo TV.
Although i was impressed by the way some of the the designers stepped up in this week's challenge, Reco was extremely dissapointing, considering the fact that Libscomb University; two hours away from his hometown house a large Halston archives.
Alright, let me see if I have this correct. It's sacrilegious to not know what a B-Girl is or wears, but you'll let it slide if a contestant has no clue about the fashion style of a world-class designer. Am I the only one that has a problem with this? And Anna, you'd have liked to see her be more magnanimous. Uh huh. I know I'd break my back to help every person on the show if I were a contestant trying to win $125,000 so just maybe at the end of the show, I would be referred to as "the magnanimous one" by the judges. That's kind of like winning Miss Congeniality, isn't it?
i agree with you Fern, regarding the choice of dresses shown as examples. i am not in the fashion biz, but a dedicated follower of fashion, as a matter of fact i produced a documentary for E! Entertainment on 'Halston', and perhaps if Reio had more of an idea of the great Halston he could have interpreted better...lets face it, Halston not only represented our first real designer icon,...he broke rules, putting his name on a perfume, etc...and reaizing many firsts (the use of ultrasuade) etc etc..but at least Merlin was helped a little with his task...so i know a lot about fashion, but i do not know how to stitch a thread...i could have won the mini challenge...but couldn't sew, what does that explain? only that people like Reico can still be extremely talented without being knowledgeable of history..i am glad u gave him another shot...he deserves it...and the cattiness of the ladies was too much of a low blow...wish it had not gone down that way..
Kelly Rowland brings NOTHING to the show, how can we get her replaced possibly with Veronica Webb who at least can speak knowledgeably about the industry. All Kelly does is repeat what the other judges and critics say... She is SUPER BORING!!!!
From what I've seen so far of the show(every episode)Reco has so far been the best designer. Mostly because his talent seems to be raw talent not so much studied from a school. Even though going to school to master your craft has it's benefit's as we saw in the last episode.Reco has a huge ego which needed to placed in check, but then again most great designers do!!!
Reco should be familiar with Halston without regard for whether the example provided was a penultimate design. And, it doesnt matter which designer anyone was assigned. All artists working in any medium should have a strong sense of the historic roots of their profession. Reco failed huge, your words. He has no one to blame but himself. And, Reco's design wasnt original - wasnt Reco's dress previously executed in blue by Woody Allen for the film "Sleeper"?
How were the contestants chosen for this program? There seem to be a large percentage that either have little knowledge or interest in either construction skills or in fashion history.
Also I think Anna has been passed over a couple of times when she had the best design, both this week and the week of the pleated skirt for TInsley. I hope to see her come up to the front of the pack (in wins) in the next few weeks. She isn't a drama queen like Reco, Merlin (please eliminate him SOON!), and sometimes Daniella, but Anna is excellent at both design and construction. And of course she is going to give her friends the benefit of her advantage in winning the first challenge - any of these contestants would do the same and let the others take what's left.
Finally - for the web team: Please have both front and back views in the Rate The Look feature on the web site and allow a zoom function. I'd love to see more detail of the clothes.
you pointed out anna's thought process in her choosing the designer and the inspiration designer. i love that. i love that you were frank about that!!
you brought sincerity to this show by doing that. it elevated my respect for the show and definitely for you.
i do believe that what was done to reco and merlin was just not in fair play; also, i would love to have seen all of them creating something to their potential, and then being judged with that potential shown.
I thought this was a great challenge and fun to watch and listen to the info. on each iconic designers "signature" styles and look. I don't think Anna was mean in using her choices to her advantage. That seemed to be what the "reward" was. The prize for the mini challenge was to give her an advantage.. just as it would have been if she was given immunity/safe from elimination. It gave her the edge to test her opponents' ability to rise up. Any of the others would have done the same in this level of the competition. I actually think she was more strategic than mean. Some of the others would have been much more cunning/mean had they had that advantage.. I loved that Johnny rose to the challenge and really put on his thinking cap. Reco and Merlin learned a valuable lesson in humility, as, they are usually bragging about how great they are and criticizing everyone else openly.
The designers are getting a mixed message from the fashion elites juding the competition. A few episodes ago, one the designers (Eddie?) essentially took credit for another designer's ideas and never once thanked her for her ideas and support. Issac stated that in the fashion world, "It happens" and to get over not getting the recognition. Now Fern is criticizing Anna for strategically pairing designers with icons, as if it is wrong for her to use the "major advantage" that she won via triumphing in the Elimination Challenge to give herself an edge. And why shouldn't she give Merlin a designer he's never heard of? It's not her fault that Merlin is ignornat. Besides, Merlin has been a total sexist towards the assertive female designers. Anna didn't owe him a damned thing.
I think Reco is very good & cocky, it's not a flaw. I do think you are right, that he was sincere. I have followed this show each week and observing each person, you can learn a lot from their approach to the task and their personality plays a big part. Reco is a very fast worker and does great work. I do not think he would throw any one under the bus, but I think Anna would. I guess, we will watch what happens.
gosh u r great the show is getting better and better do u happen to need a personal assistant i know an empty nester, burnt out jewelry designer,perry menopausal women who would kill to work with you lol
I do think it was a shame on Haven's part that she did not do a better job with her design, especially since she obviously loves YSL. I can hardly wait to see what the designers come up with each week, particularly Reco! I hope this show is around for many seasons to come! Mehrasax www.navare.etsy.com
Thanks for calling Anna to task in her underhanded strategy. She showed her true colors and if she or any of her two clique-mates were as good as they think they are, one of the three would have won. I thought that jacket was really common, you see it everywhere, just go to any outlet store.
I know that all of you judges liked Daniella's design, but it did not look so good on TV, the pants did not fit in the crotch and the lower leg looked "sticky", the fabric did not have a good weight for pants.
I really liked Johnny's design, it was Versace-y but simpler, more refined.
What about Merlin's design? It looked great on TV. Is it possible that the public at the show knew as little as Merlin about Mme. Grès? I checked on some designs after the show and it seemed he was right on the mark. That was my favorite design.
It was time for Haven to go. I thought she would have been gone earlier, she was lucky because she really does not know how to put a zipper in. Remember the mini challenge where she had to fix the zipper? She was very gracious at the end though, top marks for her on class.
Those who know Halston knew that Reco had no idea, but he made a beautiful dress that I am sure a lot of women who do not live in NY (the rest of the country) would buy. I did not care for the comments that were made about his design: renaissance fair and wench? That was not cool. It was snooty and mean. He is an artist and it is never o.k. to put an artist's creation down, it does not matter whether you like it or not, whether it was the right or wrong interpretation, there are many ways to convey that without hurting the person's creativity and feelings. That was my least favorite part of the entire season of the Fashion Show so far.
Can't wait to see next week's episode!
Fern, I enjoyed reading your comments on ignorance. Very honest and no agenda. Question: Why do Kelly and Isaac do the pre show look and comment thing? They seem never to offer any helpful comments to those in trouble - but seem to sneer at some of the decisions the designers have made. I hate the nudge nudge wonderment in the hallway after they visit the workroom. I think that PRunway had a better system with Tim Gunn running shotgun. Not everyone took his advice - but he seemed to be caring in what he said. 'Nuf said.
"I realise it’s a competition, but I would have liked to see her be more magnanamous."
I have to say that while I understand that it is a competition as well, I do think it came back to bite her. It was rather short sighted to only think of the current competition rather than to think of ahead and garner favors by making everyone happy.
Oh well. Too late now.
Angel was sent home for not knowing what a "B-Girl" was. Not only that, she was ridiculed and embarrassed about it. I think not knowing a famous designer when you want to BE a designer, is much worse than not knowing the stereotypical dress of some silly high school stereotype clique.