Instead of her using an attorney, which is standard for most business transactions, she wanted to negotiate the deal herself and became offended when our attorney questioned her about her budget and alleged distribution deal that we never agreed to nor received any paperwork for. I am assuming that she thought since we had known her for one month we would trust her with $100K without doing our due diligence. This blatant lack of rudimentary business acumen made me very skeptical as her resume and actions were not consistent with what she was telling us. Everybody knows if you do million dollar deals you minimally have an attorney on retainer and no one pays anyone 50% or a 10% back end for a product that they have no intellectual property interest in or financial risk/investment in. We never asked Kenya to secure a distribution deal, she did that on her own accord, we asked her to produce (i.e. tape/record and edit) our workout DVD. However, she used my name to solicit offers.
Kenya's primary contention was we wanted her to work for free. Which is bologna! If payment of $100K is free, please let me use your magic calculator and meet your accountant. While she continuously said she was working for free, our research with over five different production companies revealed to us that with our $100K payment she would minimally net in profits no less than $47K for her services which is more than ample compensation for a day’s work and 2 half hour meetings.
The deal was on the table, Phaedra didn't take it so Kenya did. I don't blame Kenya. She should get something out of the work she did for Phaedra. Oh and btw "somebody might like it but Walter didn't" somebody like Apollo? Y'all saw Apollo diggin' Kenya at the pool. Stop hating Phaedra it's not a good look.
Phaedra would not have thought about doing a video if Kenya had not suggested it to her.
Phaedra as an attorney you should know that making such inflammatory remarks about a person who's entire persona/career is built on reputation is reckless and slanderous.
Bravo needs to get Kenya off this show before she AK 47 everyone. She is obviously not playing with the whole deck of cards and her behavior is a blatant cry for help. I honestly would have nothing to do with her because she switches personalities like she is in a movie. No one can tell which one is really her.As for Phaedra she does need to tighten up and just keep it real with eveyone all the time. Seems like she is being two faced and if she is not she needs to make sure her actions cannot be viewed as such.
Cynthia has not asserted herself as a classy woman on this episode. Why go back and purposely cause this obviously crazy woman to go even crazier. That right there was not classy. One thing as a grown woman that you don't do is start arguments between friends. Now if she is insinuating that she is not Phaedra s Friend then that needs to be said out loud. Because what she did to fire Kenya's crazy up was uncalled for. Kenya was embarrassed that she was no longer apart of the deal. Until Cynthia told her those things she had not truly heard anything that Phaedra had supposedly said about her.So it was Cynthia that brought that whole performance she pulled at the charity even on.
Phaedra, you look 100 times better in your swim suit. As for Kenya, CALL SECURITY!!!!!
Phaedra, I don't understand why Lawerence is getting involved with You and Kenya. I thought Lawerence was Sheree's friend now he's Miss America's friend! LOL...If Kenya had a problem with the way you look, than why was she trying so hard to profit from the video and took it upon herself to work in advance of a signed agreement between the two of you! Kenya need to be taken off the show...she's a liar and a fraud begging for a husband.
I am ALL about a professional business person and I think that you have proven that you are just that! Kenya clearly has no understanding of professionalism and tried to unsuccessfully portray you as a person who would expect her to work for free. Anyone with a lick of sense knew better! Keep doing your thing and please don't get wrapped up in any more of Kenya's ridiculousness.
Phaedra, Kenya appears to be Gone with the Wind Crazy. You have proved your point. That was the most ridiculous display of ... I do not know what ..... that I have ever seen. That girl is loosing it.
You owe this woman nothing. If I were you ... stay out of the drama, you have a great video - well done, well done. I will not be spending any money on the Gone with the wind crazy stallion video, especially after what I saw in tonights show. I am still in shock at Kenya's behavior, with the clothing choice she made at the charity event.
Phaedra, I sincerely commend you for staying classy during this entire mess with that nut Kenya! I don't know about everybody else, but it was clear to me that you and Apollo NEVER OK'd a deal with her. As a lawyer, I knew you were on top of your game as far as negotiating things. As I watched the episode where your lawyer updated you on his meeting with Kenya, I kept thinking you should've kept him there in the meeting as well along with Kenya. I'm just glad you didn't do business with her. She's unstable and a stone cold nut trying to come off as this sophisticated, business-minded woman. Puhleeeeeeeeeeze! Love you girl!
Phaedra, its not always about who's right. It's about finding common ground when your genuine in a friendship (i.e. Sheree and Kenya). Sadly, you didn't effectively communicate your stance with Sheree. And even worse, you never attempted to counter offer with Kenya. I hope that in the near future, all lawyers will be able to communicate more effectively and have superb negotiating skills. Until then, Voir dire!
Phaedra, its not always about who's right. It's about finding common ground when your genuine in a friendship (i.e. Sheree and Kenya). Sadly, you didn't effectively communicate your stance with Sheree. And even worse, you never attempted to counter offer with Kenya. I hope that in the near future, all lawyers will be able to communicate more effectively and have superb negotiating skills. Until then, Vior Dire!
Phaedra, thank goodness you didn't engage in business with Kenya! Any so-called production company that lies about their fees and would go as far as stealing the intellectual property of a potential client could only ruin your project. And anyone that doesnt understand the lack of ethics and professionalism Kenya displayed while trying to win (and steal) your business is, quite frankly, moronic. Disaster averted Phaedra, good job! That said, one small piece of advice would be to tell your husband to mind his place during negotiations. You're the legal brain of the operation and he should respect and be grateful for that. It seemed pretty clear he was willing to "sell the farm" after only a few minutes of Kenya's lame and desperate flirting. Poor Apollo, your son would probably perform better in the family business...
i find it somewhat odd that phaedra has had suspicious details around everything in her time on the show, she accused sheree of not paying her for the child support case, the suspition arond her pregnancy, the marring a man who was in jail, the funeralhome nonsense, and thats just to name a few. for a lawyer she presents herself like a fool, and frankly the facial expressions and just the way she talks she isnt the southern bell she claims to be.
Phaedra, what ever happened to the mortuary sciences? Isn't that plus a law practice an awful lot to handle? Now you are branching off to fitness? Well, it does seem that this line of work is more in keeping with Apollo's interests and expertise. Maybe you can hand it over to him.
Most successful people have their hand in multiple ventures. There's much more incentive to spread yourself thin when you're rewarded with more income the thinner you get! Good for Phaedra :)
Once again youarenotlistening . Business , in this case , is not charging an upfront fee and wanting to get paid on the backend. Kendra's price was $100,000 for production cost . Which was atleast 3 times as much as another profesional studio would charge . In Kenya's world she walks away with $100,000 and 10% seeing a profit from day one with no risk . On the other hand Phaedra and Apollo should be in the negative $100,000 and and pay Kendra off dvd sales a well . In Kendra's world once $200,000 has been made Kendra would have made $110,000 and Phaedra and Apollo , who are taking the finacial risk and came up with concept have a profit of $90,000 . So in laymans terms if the Donkey Booty Dvd yields $200,000 Kendra would have made $20,000 more than the couple for call someone else to do the job...GET REAL....Kendra is a greedy lonely wman and if support her it's because you see yourself in her . They asked for a production bid not for her to begin work (a peice of paper with a sketch of a wood background...lol )Phaedra and Apollo move forward cause the only thing that goes backward is a crawfish and a crab...
Could be wrong, but it seems to me Cynthia took Kenya's side because Phaedra was about to pull the same thing with her (free model casting). At the end of that episode when Kenya walked out and Cynthia and Phaedra were left alone, Cynthia was like "Well!" IMO she was dismissing Phaedra because she was a bit miffed about the assumption that her agency would be used for casting. And Phaedra saying she thought Kenya worked it out was bull. If you don't have a contract, why should Kenya start casting for you? Phaedra's shady. Don't forget how her donkey booty got her in trouble when she talked "ish" about Cynthia not coming to her party...
Cynthia accused Phaedra of wanting free business but Phaedra didnt balk when Cynthia told her she expected a fee. Seems Cynthia is still annoyed with Phaedra over the butt dialing incident. She clearly meanders to different sides of the aisle whenever it suits her purpose. When Phaedra said she and Kenya worked it out - they did. Kenya gave a ludicris and inflated proposal and Phaedra rejected it. And speaking of shady - any production company that steals the intellectual property of their potential clients, like Kendra did to Phaedra, is dispicable and probably wont last very long.
Well, Phaedra meanders, too. Porsha even said that since her and Kenya fell out, now Phaedra wants to be her friend. And about them working it out, it didn't appear that way to me. Phaedra wanted it on paper and Kenya didn't provide that. If Phaedra rejected her proposal, that means nothing was worked out, therefore she should not have expected Kenya to handle the model casting call. (Which if I remember correctly, Phaedra told Cynthia that she thought Kenya handled it.)
I'm not on Kenya's or Phaedra's side. Honestly I don't like either of them. But what I CAN do is stay neutral and see the situation for what it is.
Again, Phaedra, Kenya has proven my point that she is not trust worthy. She is a NeNe thief. You saw her character in Anguilla and now she has put the real Kenya out there for everyone to see. She is a Liar and she is a twisted CooCooooooooooooooooo bird.
Communication, presentation, budget and then contract. Try not to deal to much with family and friends when it comes to business. Yes, I believe that it is safe to hire family and friends
but always keep it business and if you have to fire them then you do that. This will let them know that you are all business not just family & friend. And get in the habit of walking with your Lawyer if you are going to talk business. And by the way, it is legal to bring a tape recorder ask your lawyer. Avoid another CooCooooooooooooo mess. Who needs it?
You are right, there is no negotiating with stupid (Kenya)! You are better off without her as a friend.
So yea nobody is perfect nobody im gonna sum them all up for you in my opinion lets start with the rudest NeNe I feel like NeNe is always gonna be drama period she knows what sells and for her thats it even now that she is happy with Greg she is still messy she didnt have anything nice to say about Kenya but because Kenya and Mrs. Parks into it now she talking shit about Phaedra but when Phaedra said what did i miss they all got quiet like some punks. Now For Kandy who is my favorite they all talk about each other behind their backs but she will say it to their face and behind their back i'm glad her and NeNe hashed it out the truth is Nene didnt like her because she was cool with Kim and Kandy didnt like the way Nene treated Kim going back and forth with their relationship friends are friends and far as Kandy crying about the money that Kim didnt pay her she was hurt but she got it togeather for their next project as far as Todd I'm happy for her and i'm glad Andy said it best he didnt even want to be on the show. So Phaedra yea she lies and weaves in and out of them like a sew in but she not wrong this time first off nothing shouldve been done without a contract thats number one she never hired Kenya they were talking and negotiating and when Phaedra didnt like the contract that Kenya sent off over she reviewed in and her lawyer sent Kenya some things that could be changed Kenya even agree even though she claim she felt disrespected but, Phaedra never said that she didnt not want to pay her anything she just wasnt gonna pay her 100,000 plus 10% for the life of the project who knows how much money that wouldve been especially for a deal that she didnt authorize her to make on her behalf and Kenya said it based of your name i got you a distribution deal who asked you too though really and if you get 50% I've seen the movies you have produced they not bringing you in the bread like that seriously. Now with Cynthia and Phaedra obviously Cynthia new somthing why else would Kenya and Phaedra show up Kenya said i'll talk to Cynthia about casting all Cynthia had to do is say hey i charge such and such but instead you auto took Kenya's said and then yall talked about Phaedra you and your old has husband but then stood their talking about Phaedra and the other girl was wrong for talking about Kenya she is crazy your phony too even after you found out that Phaedra didnt know about the Stallion crap you new about it why didnt you say something. Now that other child dont even remember her name she thinkgs its 265 days in a year she is done just fried. Now Cynthia i was excited to see you coming into your own but come on right is right and wrong is wrong and if you dont know what is what then dont pick a side to be on just stay out of it. Now crazy Kenya you know you paid that man really everybody could see that he just wasnt tha into you really you lied point black your thirsty, hungry, starving and just down right out of your mind stop it please really just cause Lawrence is your friend dont mean that your cool.
ahahahahahahaha. u r so right. wth was that. who reads 265 words on a comment. i know kenya said read a book but damnnnnnnnnn.
amariecrosslinPlease start using more punctuation... I couldn't even make it past the first couple lines.
@DachshundMom @atlgirl27 @amariecrosslin when I read it I took a HUUUUGE breath after realizing I was holding mine. Lol
Thank you, that about sums it up for me. Except I might add, Cynthia is a passive aggresive , s--- starter. She holds deep grudges, & is the little birdie her husband was referring to at the dinner table. She's been spreading her seeds of dysention, since the first show. She worked Kenya to get back at Phaedra. The only one she hasn't spited, that I know of, is NeNe & that's because, as my mom used to say, Birds of a Feather Flock together. Just saying !
Happy amariecrosslin Karent on RHWOM is called "the carrier pigeon." That might fit for Cynthia too. I really like Cynthia as a business woman and I like Peter but her choice to be in Kenya's corner baffles me. That will eventually bite her in the donkey booty!
yes KarenMom, carrier pigeon,that's who I was thinking of, relates to what Cynthia has been doing all along.
How could anyone take Phaedra seriously as a lawyer? If that business meeting she had with the video producers was indicative of how she handles business, she is a joke of a lawyer. They weren't prepare to demonstrate the exercise moves, there was no mention of their fitness expertise(they have none) and she kept making inappropriate sexual reference. etc.
People who constantly claim they are classy, usually have no class.
Purple86 Yeah, one of those guys looked super uncomfortable! I thought she made a clown of herself. Guess her practice can't be that busy since she is a mortician, funeral planner, now fitness model on the side. I know lawyers who can't take the holidays off because they are busy racking up billable hours.
It is very difficult to watch Kenya on this show. The way she acts makes her look very insecure. Phaedra has so much more class, why even waste the time on Kenya? I hope this is her first and last season on the show.....she just makes the show hard to watch because she's so unstable...it's really sad
Phaedra, you are so correct about the donkey booty. The 69 boyz had a record out in the day that shows how Black men feel about the donkey butt. I have written a few of the lyrics below, but you can see all of the lyrics on YouTube. I used to dance for hours off of this.
gimme that donkey butt and them big ole legs
i aint to hard to beg
aint no shame in this game
im gonna break it down and beg like James
please, please, please
let me ride that donkey, donkey
let me ride that donkey, donkey
There's more lyrics, but you will see them when you go to YouTube... Just key in Let Me Ride That Donkey
You did the right thing. Too bad that Crazy Kenya went off on you. You were way too nice to her and she sought to exploit that.
How much MORE did you pay the Jane Fonda producers then Kenya's asking price, Mrs. Money is no Object?
i cant wait for the next episode it will be funny soooooooo sooooo funny you have to say she is making a print for herself on this show.
well you have a workout video out so that cancels people saying something also u and kenya should have handled it the right way from the first.
Phaedra was trying to RUN GAME as usual. She is a known liar. Kenya may be overly dramatic and acts crazy but atleast she is REAL and Not PHAKE like PHADRA. Kenya definitely her issues, but atleast what you see is what you get. Bottomline is, Phaedra is trying to RUN SOME SERIOUS GAME and many of us see her coming.