No. 2 - Donkey Business
Nobody works for free in Atlanta. And as Housewives history has shown (i.e. The Tardy for the Party royalties, Heather and Sonja's toaster oven shoot), it's better to make that clear upfront. So when Phaedra's negotiations with Kenya came grinding to a halt and a full on casting session was scheduled at the Bailey Agency without any compensation being put forward, Phaedra faced two none too pleased Housewives.
Cynthia played it cool and just let Phaedra know if she wants to do a casting, she'll have to pay a casting call fee. Kenya on the other hand decided that she was over this donkey business, and very quietly (due to having almost lost her voice to a cold) made her exit. It was dramatic, but I can only wonder how it might have gone down differently if she had her voice. Personally I thought it could have used a "Gone with the Wind fabulous" twirl or two.
Side Note: Big thanks to Cynthia for pointing out the hilarity of two women referring to the "back end" of a donkey booty workout video. Someone had to say it!
I read your commentary above and all I've got to say is "you're kidding right?" Cynthia may not have known what went down between her and Phaedra except for Kenya always trying to arrive ahead of time anywhere to plead her case to anyone that would listen, but Cynthia should know that if Kenya was involved, then something is not right. I honestly think Phaedra thought Kenya had discussed the casting with Cynthia since Kenya was he one who suggested Cynthia's agency in the first place.
All of the Donkey Booty video should have been discussed upfront, put in writing & then none of this would have happened. This should have happened sooner not late espeially when you are dealing with friends so you can keep the friendship if something goes wrong. Supposedly being the "business women" both say they are, they BOTH should have known better. Kenya, its your fault you worked "without pay" so stop the crying!!!!!!! You should never have on forward without the paperwork!!! Phaedra, you whipped out the paperwork upfront when dealing with Shere..so why not here? You both were in the wrong! Learn from your mistakes & move on!
Kenya met with Phaedra to discuss the possibility of a business deal. In no way should Kenya be compensated for her time. It s called business and Phaedra had every right to shop elsewhere.
Please observe the following:
1. This episode was taped months ago. Since then, Phaedra and Apollo have started Nida Fitness, have been featured at national fitness expos and their DVD is selling off the shelves.
2. Kenya (as we see in the preview for the next episode) plans to produce her own "rival" DVD. To date, nothing has surfaced, even months after this episode was filmed.
3. Kenya has now put out a song for her infamous phrase that will likely be played in specific club settings and theme parties.This can be viewed as a great detractor from her failed attempt to get engaged, and as reported, a farce from the beginning. She was indirectly caught in that lie by Ms. Leakes, who pointed out the discrepancies in Anguilla.
It is quite clear what is happening. Kenya got caught in a lie and is now trying to discredit anyone else whom she interferes with. Remember, Phaedra was the one who was helped dry her tears in Anguilla, making her an easier target for manipulation. While this is all very entertaining, we must be mindful of the past of Kenya Moore- she is an actress. This is what she does, for a living. Unfortunately, it is at the expense of Phaedra who I trust has something up her sleeve if anything major ( Kenya's DVD) were to occur.
Though she tried to paint it as if Phaedra was trying to get her to work for free, that wasn't the case. Phaedra paid her (or planned to pay her) a set fee for work done, but Kenya wanted a back-end cut for finding them a distribution deal (which Phaedra wasn't even ready for her to do), meaning she'd make money off of the video for life. as stated on other blog site!
so did phaedra pay her for the work she did? yall need to stop making excuses for shady phaedra... she's a professional snake.. just embrace her flaws.
Phaedra, why did you volunteer The Bailey Agency for tryouts for your Donkey Booty video without confirming with Cynthia first? Just because she's your friend doesn't mean that you can automatically volunteer her services without informing nor paying her. That was dead wrong of you.
Kenya volunteered the Baily Agency to Phaedra and Apollo at the gym. What show are you watching? Phaedra just agreed with her. Kenya even said Cynthia's fee was included in Kenya's budget which I'm sure Phaedra didn't have a problem with. It was Kenya asking for 50% and a 10% back end that the lawyer and Phaedra never ever discussed that was shady. Anybody in their right mind would have said "hell no" to that lopsided deal.
Phaedra should've still confirmed with Cynthia first because it's Cynthia's business that they wanted to use for the venue.
Phaedra is educated but it was dumb for her to call her buttock video "donkey booty", we as black women should be proud of our ample buttocks, but for her to label it such a degrading name i'm disgusted. And the way she tries to manipulating people to do what she want, she has no class. Kenya is annoying but she deserve a finder's fee, never do business with friends.And her bitching about wanting to be married is exhausting. I love Nene she is revolving into a A-List actor i'll be glad to see her leave rhatl. Porsha is annoying. cynthia is boring. Kandi is boring.
I think I'm on the fence with this one. On one side, Kenya jumped the gun and secured a distribution deal by name-dropping (Phaedra's of course) and then wanted back end. Ok, if she had waited til the appropriate time when plans were finalized and given the GO... OK! Yes she deserves that 10% of the deal she secured. HOWEVER, since Phaedra did not give the Ok from what we saw to start shopping a deal... Kenya doesn't deserve back in. Now was Phae Phae wrong for going to Todd, Not necessarily because they didn't have a concrete agreement. She basically got a second opinion and I would have too. Who in the hell (in their right mind) is going to do a darn workout video with a budget of 100 stacks... Kenya must be smoking them tracks she fill in her hair with lol! NO MA'AM Miss Kenya!!! And on top of that, Kenya was DISRESPECTFUL yet again, going behind Phaedra back speaking with Apollo. You already have a lil bad history, there are certain lines that desperate SINGLE women shouldn't cross with MARRIED men. JMO and Kenya obviously isn't aware of her boundaries. BUT good ol' Kandi B. got her together real quick. #1 You will not come out yo' mouth sideways bout her friend #2 You will not bring up yo' petty asz nonsense at Todd party. BayBay Kandi said "I will F... her asz up bout my man!!!" Darn right! Go in Kandi and let have! (Funky Dineva voice) Kenya betta kool it down and tread softly cause Phaedra still on this "Southern Belle" ishhh but she barkin' up the right tree with Kandi.
Shout Out to Cynthia for always being right on time with the side jokes... "Back End" joke... HIGH 5 CYNTHIA!!! Not too much from Porsha this week but I still love her and I love that Blue and Black dress NeNe wore on set... YOU BETTA WORK NENE!!!
A common tiresome theme in these shows seems to be the non contractual disagreements....Atlanta seems to milk this every season...it is getting tiresome to watch...whenever there is any business collusion, we see the same ole...same ole..every season someone finds out Phaedra isn't the smart attorney she tries to portray...and bammmm..there is the ammo needed for a lively reunuion.....and then we wait for next season for it to happen again....boring......the longer the hw shows playout, the more contrived the plots become, till you just feel like you are watching a soap....if it were not for the re airings most viewers would never watch....I have tuned into Honey Boo Boo, because I know she is real......sorry Atlanta, you are no match for Honey Boo Boo...
FlutterBy "no match for Honey Boo Boo"? LOL! Priceless! I don't watch "Honey Boo Boo", but I agree with you that there is the recurring theme of 'business amongst friends gone bad'. Phaedra wrote in her blog that she and Apollo researched five other production companies; if this is the case, why didn't she mention this during filming?
I love me some Honey Boo Boo too but can catch her "On Demand." But as far as Phaedra not bringing up the other production companies, she did mention that to Kenya. The only thing Kenya needed to do was submit a "revised" budget like Phaedra's lawyer asked her to but since she didn't because she wasn't going to get what she wanted by demanding it, she squashed the deal. Kenya is broke and thought she could get over on Phaedra and Apollo and was mad that Phaedra got her lawyer involved. Ain't nobody going to hand over $100K to noboy with a lawyer, a contract, and a notary involved.
SoOverIt Thanks for pointing out that Phaedra told Kenya about shopping. Truthfully, I was multi-tasking when I watched this episode and never had a chance to re-watch. I had a chance to re-watch a bit of the casting call meeting. When I saw it, I thought, "why would Kenya keep a casting call if she wasn't happy with the overall deal?" Why didn't she go back to Phaedra, PRIVATELY, to discuss this? It was just so...unprofessional. I also think this is why Phaedra's story may be more credible than Kenya's...not completely convinced that Phaedra is 100% blameless, but Kenya doesn't know how to handle things very well.
Phaedra was wrong, which normally would be ok, but as she calls herself 'A successful entertainment lawyer" its not ok that she didnt know better here...
Also she DID say she didnt want to pay anything and wanted it for free (to Apollo at the party after he spoke to Kenya)!
Kenya's fee is certainly a "friend-fee" as industry standard is much much higher. And if Phaedra is an entertainment lawyer - and a good one - she would know that!
Metts Wrong... Pheadra didn't want to pay her on the back end. She was to get paid for production ... or filming and editing of the video. The distribution was something Kenya put together that Pheadra was not aware of until Kenya brought it up. Kenya did not present her proposal on paper as Pheadra asked. Pheadra did not say she would not compensate her.. she just said she was not going to give her any of the profits!
@whenbored it doesn't change if Phaedra were to use the deal Kenya should get her percentage for procuring it. It's pretty standard. And it's also good business ethics with or without an agreement in place....
Too bad only Kim thought that way and ate poor Kandi for lunch with that single that they released. Kandi trusted , and Kim did not. I think Kim learned early not to trust women, look at the difference between Kandi and Kim's mothers. Kim can thank her mom for teaching her that.
@samsung so that's makes it ok that Kim totally s****** Kandi over? -a woman she called her friend..... Wow ppl don't stop to amaze me lol
Phaedra was clearly trying to get over on Kenya. She claims to be an "Entertainment Attorney" so she had to know that there is no production company in existence that would do this video and not expect a cut. I've always thought Phaedra was shady and disingenuous. I feel sorry for Apollo because he clearly wanted to speak up and defend Kenya, but he obviously couldn't afford to bit the hand that feeds him.
Knowing Phaedra there had to be a contract between the two parties....or did Kenya just leap ahead expecting a deal...she did that with Walter........I do think she derserves some compensation for her effort and hire a lawyer the next tine she enters into a business venture.
susanzavagliThat is exactly what Kenya did. She should have looked at the situation before she dove head first into it. Phaedra didnt have a contract with Kenya hence no obligation to use her services! Business 101!!
Using that same rational, Phaedra did not have a copyright on the exercise video concept so it must be ok for Kenya to make her own video. Turnabout is fair play.
I love Phaedra but she is wrong for this one. She is trying to do a Kim Zolicak. Kenya is not a fool like Kandi.
I have to side with Kenya, Phaedra is dead wrong, I remember when Sheree wanted her to represent her and she wouldn't do it until she got that check. Now she wants a handout...... Kenya offered you a reasonable deal Phaedra why you trippin?
Does anyone recall the debacle between Phaedra and Sheree.
Sheree asked for Phaedra to aid her in a court proceeding for child support. Sheree thought that Phaedra was aiding her for free. However, Phaedra tried to explain to Sheree that she does not work for free, and there were court cost associated with her representation, which was approx. $5000.
So, why is Phaedra expecting Kenya to work for free.
Anywho, someone needs to explain to Phaedra the difference between "genetics and working out". This workout video will not take the place of "Insanity" and other workout videos that are currently being marketed. All that junk in the truck is genetic fat waiting to spread. SMH.
SunShyne_in_Florida I remember well. I also remember that Phaedra was out witted by Bob, Sheree's ex.
SunShyne_in_FloridaKenya took it upon herself to offer her production skills to Phaedra. Phaedra was not obligated to accept here deal and she didnt. Again this is Business 101.
As a friend, I look out for my friends, and the majority of them at one point or another have worked in my business. Now, when Phaedra and Kenya claimed to be friends, the restraints were removed. Kenya was looking for Phaedra and Apollo.
In a southern motion, Phaedra nodded her head t number of times with Kenya's suggestons. It was up to Phaedra to tell Kenya to slow her roll. Yet, Phaedra did have expectations that I thought went beyond the call of friendship.
Both women did not establish boundaries on what to do and/or what not to do. Friends tend to forget about the professional lines. Remember Kandi experienced the same thing with Kim.
We expected more from Phaedra. Instead, she acted like hood and ignorant. She should act like a professional at all times.
JUNK IN THE TRUCK??? GENETIC FAT WAITING TO SPREAD???
HA, HA, HA, HAAAAAA!!!! YOU'RE RIGHT AND FUNNY!!!
I wonder why Phaedra did not go to Todd in the beginning. She did not seem to really respect Kenya before the meetings, so she should never have held the meeting at all. Phaedra has been very two faced. With Kenya, "what we see is what we get". Even though I don't agree with Kenya on many things, I think she is trying to handle her business and Phaedra was just trying to get a free handout.
I don't think Phaedra was kooking for a freebie she was looking to negotiate a deal that would work for both of them...Kenya blew it by storming out not very professional......all of this should have been discussed before Kenya started the endeavor
cavex2 susanzavagliNO! Pheadra wasn't going to give her part of the profits. When did she say that at the party... She did not expect to have Kenya produce (film and edit) for free. Dang...
I gotta side with Kenya. She was justified, and I think she was right to walk out....And when a work situation starts to make you feel bad, you really should remove yourself from it. Best of luck to all parties....I'm sorry they could not make a deal.
laces I guess if you would love to pay someone for your work when all they did was hold a camera
When Kenya gives Phedrea the production estimates, doesn't she put her fee in there? If I were producing the video, my charges would be up front. The back end fees would come on top of that. Why would Kenya do any work before having an agreed upon amount and a signed contract????
When friend are doing business with friends, they do not think before leaping into spending their valuable time and money. I totally agree with you, but I think Kenya trusted Phaedra too much, which resulted into Kenya being maltreated or devalued for her work.
I agree .....who does that...friends or not business is business and when dealing with a savy lawyer protect yourself with a lawyer retained by you
CarlaBKenya did nothing more than a bid or a proposal and Phaedra didnt accept her terms and was willing to negotiate but Kenya refused and walk out. That is the cost of doing business. You would think Kenya would know that since she says hes been doing this for "20 years". She met her match with Phaedra and I am glad!!
they should have discussed business before anything else, thats whrere they all went wrong. I cant stand Kenya but in this case she was done wrong, I dont think she asked for to much but then again I have never tried to make a workout video