No. 1 - Burlesque vs. Stripping
There can be a fine line between a burlesque performance and a strip tease. Burlesque usually involves songs, more interesting costumes, maybe a dance routine, and possibly some nudity. Stripping involves some of that, just a little more down and dirty.
Now Porsha was OK with a little Christina Aguilera/Cher-style burlesque, but a strip club was not for her. So when the girls rolled up to the club, she was none to pleased at what she saw. Porsha accused Phaedra of misleading her about the fact that it was a strip club, and I can't help but wonder what would have happened if they had gotten her inside and then she realized it was a strip club. Would she have stayed or freaked out and left?
Since when is it empowering for women to either visit or work at a strip club? I assumed that these were reasonably intelligent women, but to participate in the objectification of women is very disturbing. Guess what ladies, there are plenty of single mothers out there that struggle and raise their children without taking off their clothes. How would Kandi or Cynthia feel if it was their daughters working in a place like this? I think that they would be talking a very different game.
Nene is just Nene! She ownes up to what she does or have done. Phaedra will never tell the truth about anything.... For the rest of them the jury is still out!!!!
I used to be that ambitious independent person who thought housewives had it easy but after the birth of my second child, ten years prior to my first, I decided to stay home for a few years. Being a housewife (with kids) is way more challenging than I would have ever dreamed and it is truly a full time job that get little respect.
Anaviewer I have several friends who choose to work vs. staying home because they say it’s easier to work. By working, the children have to attend preschool. They get to associate with other women while getting a break from child rearing.
Porsha has become my favorite. She my be dingy, but she is sweet & sticks to what she believes in. Good for her for not letting NeNe or the other ladies pressure her into going to a strip club. What women goes to Vegas & goes to a female strip club? Sometimes I think other women are uncomfortable when they see an attractive woman who has it what they consider to be easy. Thats why they all make comments about Porsha being just a housewife.
macy.reid.71 I also think Kenya is hard on Porsha because she knows Walter rejected her because of his preference for younger women. Porsha is a reminder of why she’s having a hard time landing a husband at her age. There are some things in life you shouldn’t put off, and children is one of them. If Kenya wanted a traditional family, she should have taken that in consideration before now. I’m not saying that it won’t happen,but there’s no need to be ugly to the next woman for making other choices.
I'm glad that Porsha stook her ground. More power to her. That is one of the true beauties of real friendship(which Nene doesn't know about unless SHE is controlling someone). You don't have to like what your friend(s)say or do all the time, but in the end be there for each other. Someone should have said that they respected her decision and that its ok and we'll see you when we get back. Instead it went into a discussion about her husband, her marriage, and her inability to make her own decisions. She did make her own decision, She did NOT go in. Porsha should do herself a favor and lose them all. At least Kandi did apologize on her blog.
Porsha danced in a video a while back where the rapper used vulgar and sexually explicit lyrics and scenes, so I'm not quite sure why she now has a problem with going to a strip club unless she has learned from that bad video experience or she is trying to please Kordell. But nonetheless, it is her life and if she is O.K. with it, then nobody should try to tell the girl what she should and what she shouldn't do in her life and in her marriage.
Swanie I saw the video. She appeared to be very young. She was not being obscene and she had all of her clothes on to boot. Regardless if it was the day before the strip club event, she did not want to see naked people showing their inners to everyone. I think that she thinks that the ladies showing their nude bodies to make a living is depressing. I, too, feel bad for them. Some of them may have felt that it was the only way to make money and they were in dire straights. Some may not have been thinking about anything except getting away from a bad situation. NeNe felt it was the only way to take care of herself and her child in the manner that she wanted to live at that time. I think that most Gentlemen's clubs are not just for stripping. Most of the celebrities that were busted for prostitution, were at Gentlemen's clubs. The music in that video is the same music that young people (church going) young people listen to today.
Swanie People can progress. What you did as a single young person may not be who you are as you get older, mature, and enter into a marriage.
I guess I'm a little confused by NeNe. She is very wise but it appears she does not take her own advice. She is so cool when she is letting her guard down but it appears she has trust issues. She didn't want the girls to "clown" or misbehave when they got to her house, but she acted like a hot mess when she visited Kim's friend's house in Miami and yet Kim still let her stay there. Now, if Kandi wanted to she could have rented an entire jet for all of them to fly but she HUMBLED herself and got on the bus with all of them. Humility goes a long way. I pray that her job doesn't end on the New Normal because that is going to be a big fall.
Ne Ne you used to be one of my faves, but this last episode has got me messed up. Talking all that smack about Porsha not wanting to go to the strip club?! WTF? Wasn't it just last season that you was giving Kandy all the smack for talking coochies and ding-a-lings all the time. And how that wasn't for you?! Saying if that's what she want's to do that's fine, but it wasn't for you?! I don't have anything against strip clubs, but that doesn't mean I want to hang with my girlfriends in one!! Ne Ne the world knows you used to strip, met your man, left the club, and now have landed the big gig on TV. Great for you girl, but not all strippers end up the way you have. You need to lay your Hollywood self off Porsha. Let her be a housewife if she wants to. If it backfires on her then that's on her to deal with. With the crazy stuff you and Greg have going on, you have no right to talk about anyone else's marriage. Do your thing, and let other's do theirs. And for the record, she was mislead by crazy Phedra,
So it's okay for NeNe to quit stripping for Greg,,,but not okay for Porsche to do, or not do, things for Kordell. I smell a double standard.
everyone has some skeletons in thier closet and ne ne is no different. the fact that she can be honest about her past and not try to hide only makes me like her more.!!!
Like or not, she interfered in another person's view of marriage when she was not asked. SHE OWES PORSHA AN APOLOGY.
EloiseM She doesn't owe anybody anything! She's entitled to her opinion like everybody else!
@purpleprincess1 when the show first started, Nene did tried to hide her past. She did not want anyone to talk about it. She has just resently came to terms with talking about her stripper pass.
To me the strip club thing would've been fun. (Although I wouldn't have gotten as close as Phaedra. LOL!) However, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Portia really did not seem the least bit interested. She wasn't acting like she felt she was missing out. Honestly, I wouldve been hard pressed to choose between the club and a good bubble bath, some room service, and a glass of champagne. As far as her husband being controlling...he might be. However, as long as she isn't being abused it's really no one's business. That's between her and her husband. They really seemed to stick their noses in too far.
I love NeNe but she needs to slow her roll on judging other people's marriages. Same for everyone else. Kenya "can't get/keep a man" Moore needs to shut up for obvious reasons. If she could get someone to marry her...and they didn't want her to go to that club...she wouldve been the first one out that limo. You mark my words! She hates Porsha because Porsha has the marriage she wants.
Porsha and Kordell (forgive me if misspelled) are more traditional than what many of us are used to these days. But that's their choice. To each their own. "If they like I love it!" Ha!
I liked NeNe's story about Gregg and when she was a dancer. My favorite scenes of hers are when she is REAL like that.
JoyM Nene worked at the Gentlemen's club were Greg was the manager. Therefore, her story about her surprise dancing for Greg is a lie.
Unity Sure! you know that because you were working with Nene as a stripper as well or because you are very wise?
Porsha has a mind of her own and I am glad she stood up to them. Took more guts to do that than to pretend giggle and go along with the pack. Which proves there is only one real women in that pack of fake "I will do anything for money" gang.
I don't like strip joints because there are nothing but sad desperate girls there who need help--many runaway street teens and to go there like they was really far more sadder that they acted as they did like stripping was the greatest job there was.
These women are really a bad example for women every where or even girls growing into women.
And Phaedra attacking Porsha was terrible about Christianity. Phaedra needs to talk to her Pastor or is she her own pastor too! Because Christ did not accept prostitution instead he told them not to --"go and sin no more" is what he said and yes he sat down and broke bread with them.
And they go in a strip club and praise these women--have they lost their minds!!!
I am going to use Nene's words for this episode..."All you haters in haterville, quit hating." So Porsha didn't want to go to the strip club..The other ladies need to get over it. They also need to quit picking on her because they would ALL change places with Porsha in a NEW YORK MINUTE!!! They would LOVE to have a Rich Husband and be a normal housewife. So if Porsha didn't want to go, then accept it and respect her wishes.
And that crazy woman needs to go. She has had an argument with nearly all the housewives and Dumb Cynthia doesn't realize how two-faced she is coming across this season. Kenya is NOT her friend and will use anyone on the show to get a husband.
If you watched the first season of RHoATL to last season with Kim and NeNe drama, you would know it Troy was not the problem that the both women were having. I personally think it started with "Don't Be Tardy for the Party". Kim and NeNe were both suppose to sing that song together, but Kim changed her mind and wanted to sing it by herself. I think NeNe felt that Kim betrayed her and had to hear about it from someone other than Kim. So, Kim betrayed both NeNe and Kandi. NeNe was the one that got Kim on RHoATL and Kandi help her with the song. It is crazy to think that both NeNe and Kandi was betrayed by Kim. This is the person they both helped and Kim gave them both her behind. If it wasn't for NeNe she would not have been on the show, met Troy, Don't Be Tardy for the Party and let's not forget the spinoff shows on Bravo. She did thank NeNe and Kandi, but "WOW". I will not watch Kim's spinoff show(s) anymore, mainly because of how she disrespected her mother and father. In my opinion, Kim is a user. I have to admit, I did enjoy the happy NeNe and Kim friendship that first season
Ok, Porsha I can respect your choice. However it seems to me that you have a controlling husband. Especially when you said "HE LET ME," Really Porscha I am speaking from experience. That is being married. I have been married for over 20 years. You tried to use the "Christian Card" as your reason for not going. In the bible (Ephesians 5:23), it says "the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church." It did not say he is the king. The bible also says (Ephesians 5:22) "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord." The word submit has been pulled all out of context. It basically means to understand and support your husband. As for verse 23 the "head" means that the husband provides leadership for his wife the way Christ does the church not by "DOMINEERING" but cherishing. Yes we are 2 that have become "1" when we get married. The "1" does not mean you no longer have an opinion or choice about things. You are still your own person. Stop living through your husband. So this makes me wonder, since you are now in the position of earning a sizeable salary by being on the show, is he really OK with it. After all you said lastnight "most men who have a career & money, don't really want a woman with the same." Live your life before it is too late.
What on earth makes you think that Porsha's opinions and decisions are NOT HER OWN. If husband and wife are ONE, then they may have AGREED on the opinion. Let's get real here!!!!! Just because she always references to Kordell, does not mean she does not share his view of the matter. Since it seems you know a few scriptures.....Sara, Abraham's wife lived through him; even referring to him as Lord (even if it may have been in her heart. She felt he was over her and owned her) No wonder women are so pitiful nowadays and men are not manly and are just plain CONFUSED. Poor men , damn if they do and damned if they don't.
@EloiseM I don't disagree with you. But the keywords are "HE LET ME." Those are the words that came out of her mouth. So if they AGREED on it then why would she say "HE LET ME." As I said I respect "HER CHOICE." However with her saying "HE LET ME." does not seem that she "AGREED" on this opinion. No disrepect to Kordell but it seems like he has the only opinion in the household. I don't always agree with my husband however at the end of the day, I do respect him as the head of my household. If I am not in agreement with him then I am going to respectfully voice "MY OPINION." I see nothing wrong with her making reference to Kordell when she stating an opinion about certain things. "HE LET ME" sounds more like a father giving a daughter permission to go on a field trip. The issue is not the strip club because I do agree with her about not going that is why I said "I RESPECT HER CHOICE." The "HE LET ME" is basically saying she he let her got out of town. Which says she has no opinion or choice in where she can and cannot go. IJS.
MrsA_luvnher40s EloiseM I agree with Eloise. I think the words "LET ME" have been taken out of context. What I notice about Porshia is that she may not always express herself clearly. If you recall her phone call to her husband, he said to her, if she did not feel comfortable going to the strip club she did not have to go. He also told her to not worry about it and just have a good time. He did not sound like he was giving her permission to go or to not go. He told her do what she felt was comfortable for her. This does not sound a controlling husband. He wanted her to have a good time. I think it is unfair to judge him unless he has done something that spells ABUSE. There is a difference between abuse and respect and I just think they respect one another and their values.
lynda.drummings MrsA_luvnher40s EloiseMPorsha’s husband works out of town a lot. You have to make different decisions when one spouse is gone all the time. Someone has to be there to hold things together. I don’t think he’s controlling, I think he’s bringing up valid points based on their lifestyle. My husband works away as well and I don’t have people trolling in and out of my house for my safety when he’s away. I want to sleep peacefully at night, not wonder if someone is going to double back to attack me at 2am in the morning while I’m here alone. It appears they have a traditional relationship, but when one spouse travels all the time, it’s quite different.
I commend Kordell for trying to think ahead and bringing everything to the table. Porsha is going to have to go for what she wants in life by proving to herself that she doesn’t need Kordell for everything. I think he wants her to think critically and become a stronger person. Most controlling men are insecure and I don’t think Kordell is insecure.
I think the ladies were being unfair to Porsha. Just because she didn't want to go to a strip club doesn't mean there's something wrong with her - in fact, I think it's just the opposite. I would never want to go to one ever! They really came down hard on her and it was on the verge of bullying.
Nowadays husband and wives are going to the strip club together. I've never heard a a husband not wanting his wife in a strip club, it's usually the other way around. Phaedra commenting on the strippers body and how nicely she was shaved was funny. Don't think I could be that close to a female with her legs spread open that wide.
Nene does not enjoy vibrator parties and Porscha does not like strip clubs. I would think Nene would be see this is a similar situation.
Some people are not into vibrators and some people don’t want to go to a strip club.
I don’t know why they made it a big deal.
What real woman wants to see another woman strip and dance for them? Not my cup of tea.
What if the men would have went to a strip club to watch guys strip for them, would the "wives" been as supportive and ok with that?
lisa2 I'd much rather see a woman stripping than a man and I am a woman, a straight one...at least I think I am!
How about LaCage A Folles? Men dressed as women....so much more entertaining!
Porsha is silly. Those girls who are making thousands of dollars a night stripping/dancing or whatever they do are not being exploited, they are being PAID. She's just afraid of Kordelle.
girlshaw09 I don't understand that either, since Porsha used to be a butt model and video vixen.
In Africa the ladies went to a strip club, I remember Marlo making it RAIN. Now in Vegas once again we are seeing them visit a strip club, yet no one but Kim has had a lesbian relationship.
RHOA has the only cast that frequents these types of establishments regularly, what's up with that?
Judysea Strip clubs are very popular down south - especially the higher-priced gentlemen's clubs. A lot of straight women go to them either with a group of women or on dates with their husbands and/or boyfriends. I have a friend who is a VP of a huge insurance brokerage firm, and she has gone to have drinks at these clubs with her clients. It's just not a big deal down south.