Well, let the drama begin, right? It’s funny how things happen in life-–and on a reality show. The argument between Kyle and Camille really developed out of a perfect storm of events coming together. (And there’s way more to come in next week’s episode.)
First off, let me address the original conversation in Las Vegas that caused all the subsequent drama. I keep getting the question-–why didn’t we show that conversation? And did we choose not to show it to try and influence the audience to side with either lady?
The simple answer is that we didn’t show that Las Vegas conversation because we didn’t shoot it. Other than Big Brother, which I worked on as a producer in season 2 (the Evil Dr. Will year), no other reality show I’m aware of shoots 24/7. It’s just too cost prohibitive. So it was my decision to choose to not shoot on our travel day back to Los Angeles–-and that’s the day the Kyle-Camille dispute happened.
Did I make the wrong choice? The obvious answer would be yes. But the more I’ve thought about it, the more I think it was the best possible thing to happen to us. Allow me to explain.
Producing a reality show is definitely a marathon and not a sprint. As the showrunner, it’s my job to make sure that both the cast and crew know that I have their backs and I am going to look out for their best interests at all times. I cannot stress that point enough. We worked for two incredibly long days shooting from morning till late at night. I needed to reward the team by letting them have a little time off to relax. And when I say “team,” I’m including the cast in that. I knew I was better served by letting them have some time off. Again, my team, both cast and crew, has to develop a trust in me. Because down the line, there are always going to be tough times, and if there is no trust established–-things completely fall apart.
Secondly, the Vegas trip was still pretty early in our shooting schedule. Anyone who has seen a Housewives show knows they thrive on conflict. And I very much got the sense that our cast was willing to go there if they felt a genuine conflict…but it was also clear to me that no one wanted to be the first one to do it. So the conflict that wound up happening off-camera between Kyle and Camille –-I one hundred percent believe it never would’ve happened if cameras were rolling. And since this feud winds up twisting and turning and basically scorching through the rest of our season, the producer in me is very glad it happened!
And finally, I’m thrilled we didn’t shoot it because things get so intense in this feud I am certain Kyle and Camille would’ve come to me at a certain point and said, “Can we just see the video so we can end this one and for all?”
But that option was never possible, because no video of it ever existed. So did Kyle say what Camille thinks she did? I honestly don’t know, because I was about fifty yards away when the incident happened. I didn’t hear it. Neither did Lisa, or Adrienne, or Taylor, or any of the husbands. The only three people who witnessed that conversation are Kyle, Camille and Kim. And like the classic Japanese movie Rashomon (wow-–never thought I’d reference a Japanese movie in this blog!), each of the three women remembers it differently. So who’s right? And here’s the beauty, at least for the show, we’ll never know! Which is precisely why Kyle and Camille get so worked up about this issue--they both feel the need to prove themselves correct.
Producing a reality show requires lots of skills. Sometimes, you need to be a therapist. Sometimes, you need to be the organizer. And sometimes, you need to have a little ESP. Since Lisa, Kyle, Kim and Taylor flew to New York on our first day of shooting there, we thought they’d be tired and the shoot day would end in that hotel suite. But a funny thing happened. Kyle pulled Camille to the private bedroom to “clear the air,” which they presumably did. It was after 11 p.m. and the next night was Kelsey’s premiere, so we figured that would be the late night. Nope. After the “clearing the air” talk, the ladies all surprised us by deciding they wanted a cocktail and some late night dinner. Trouble was, our crew was scheduled to wrap. We didn’t have a restaurant cleared. And while all the ladies were smiling and happy, the little voice in the back of my head started talking to me.
“This isn’t over. This is gonna blow. And it’s gonna blow big!”
I convinced the ladies to go freshen up, which gave us approximately 15 minutes to find a restaurant that would allow us to film and set up a few lights, all the while convincing my Line Producer Dave Patry (who handles the budget) that I wasn’t crazy and this would be worth all the overtime we’d wrack up.
Cut to fifteen minutes later. My ridiculously talented Senior Segment Producer Ken Schoech had somehow convinced a restaurant that was about to close to let us shoot there. My immensely talented Director of Photography Matt Valentine was doing his best to light an incredibly dark room. The ladies started arriving-–and just like the little voice in my head predicted-–the smiles had disappeared. Camille was angry, and so was Kyle. I literally used every person I could to try and keep the women separated. But once I realized we couldn’t stop the eruption from happening, I remember shouting on the walkie, “Stop lighting! We need to shoot! NOW!”
Three hours of overtime later, we finished shooting one of the most intense and pivotal events of season one.
Not that my work night was over. Far from it. But I think I will save the story of one of the strangest nights of my career for next week’s blog.
I think Lisa is both. I really like her personality. I look for the same qualities Lisa has, in my friends.
I agree with you, jmsweet - if this show focuses on the Camille/Kyle conflict I will give it a pass. I've watched it so far because I think this group of women is particularly interesting and I want to see more of them ... their lives ... their families. I simply do not want or need the aggravation of sitting through these fights. They're tedious - and in this case, I cannot bear looking at Camille, with her shifty lack of eye contact and simpering persona. It's too late, at this point, to do anything about what's already in the can (so to speak). I'm sure the entire season has been edited, following a "story line." Hopefully, it won't be all about this feud, but I sense that it will be ... especially after reading the producer's blog this week.
Agh! Not Jill Zarin ... puh-leeze!! I actually think Bethanny would be perfect, because she has that wry sense of humor which would bring an additional dimension to the show. :o)
Kim did state in her interview time in the last show that she did NOT hear Kyle make the statements that Camille claims she said.
Camille seemed fine/ready to move on after she and Kyle talked behind closed doors. So what set Camille off? Why the need to bring it up again? Taylor was the only one with Camille for the twenty minutes before going down to the restaurant, so what and WHY would she say anything to Camille about the ladies talking about her at the airport, knowing that whatever she said would only hurt or cause more of a problem between Kyle and Camille?
am I glad others are feeling the same way about Kyle...I think she is a bully and feel sorry for KIm and Camille.
Thanks for the view from your side. I have to look at everything in the episodes and find that Kyle would never do anything that would harm her husbands business. He is the breadwinner in the family, no matter how she likes to speak her mind, and find her being upset ver real. Camille kept looking off to the side, shifty, and her body language was off at the restaurant. She spoke alot about being calm but when you know how to stir the pot.....then watch it boil....doesn't prove much of anything. Perhaps it shows in her smirk she likes to be the center of attention.
Alas, it was entertaining but I did not like seeing Kyle cry. She was upset by the whole thing and that was another reason why I believed her. Sigh, I have got to find a hobbie....lol (Which Housewife show?)
When filming Reality TV every Producer in Hollywood knows that the best drama comes from the "off camera" moments. At the very least the mics are always on. In my opinion i think we will all see or hear that Kyle DID NOT say those comments and if she had I think that Camille misinterpreted and twisted her words on purpose because she is really not that dumb. she plays the part quite with her "oh darling routine" She is just a spoiled self entitled wife of an actor. Stop bringing Kelsey up in every conversation if you really want your own identity and get a real life. The whole God like complex is also REDICULOUS
Dee McC- I think we are perhaps the only two posters that can call Kyle out on her true character. She is truly transparent to anyone who really can see the manipulation, along with the deceitfulness she is all about. Did you read my post today-November 16? Can you imagine the torture Kim has to endure?
This is by far the best blog yet. Thank you for the indepth explanation.
I wonder if any of the other franchises watch these and relate to one or more of the women in each state. For instance, does Jill relate to Linda in DC or possibly Lisa here in BH. Maybe Luann relates to Lisa but not to Lynda. Maybe Caroline relates to Vicki in OC but also to Lisa in BH. It's very interesting to do an analysis of each franchise to see what you all come up with, in fact, it's facscinating. If you break it down by Mothering/nurturing, Elegant, Business Woman, Crazy, Normal and Says it like it is, I think you would be surprised. Where would you put Lisa, would she be Elegant or Mothering.
Although Camille appears to be quiet shallow, self absorbed, and vacuous, I do not perceive her to be the mean spirited, over opinionated , and sharp tongued shrew that defines Kyle. She is really the insecure woman on HW. With statements to her angst ridded sister, "You think your thinner than I am"? Or the classic line to Camille," I am a kind ,loving person, etc, etc,". I think the adage here is, If you are always telling any one who will listen,how very warm and fuzzy and soooo kind you are to everyone, then in reality you are NONE of these. I believe Camille in this instance. Kim, I have sympathy for you on many levels.
Dave, thanks for sharing! I love hearing about all the info only someone like you could shed light on, and of course the process we never see that goes on behind-the-scenes. Great work :)
I don't think Kim has a blog cause Kyle would get jealous and angry with her for it. Seriously think that Kyle has major INSECURITY issues when it comes to Kim. If she was the last sister on earth, I'd demand a recount. Meow Meow!
I thought it was interesting that Kelsey had sideburns when he visited with the family in the NYC apartment but didn't have them when he was speaking to the cameras about his marriage. Was this filmed at a later date, perhaps?
Just by watching the episodes, I think it's pretty obvious WHY Kim doesnt blog! (Hmmm, . . . drinks anyone? Any type of drink at any time of day, including breakfast drinks?)
Q: Why isnt there a guest blogger from one of the other Housewives shows? Would love to read thier takes on the Kyle-Camille 'feud' and everything else that happens on RHOBH. . . Maybe Jill Zarin or Caroline Manzo because those ladies are the veterans of other HW 'feuds'???
why couldn't Camille just take the high road and accept Kyle's aplogy and move forward? I admire that Kyle wanted to put the situation to rest and took the initiative to take the first step with Camille.
If Kim was the only person who witnessed the discussion, why hasn't she stuck up for her sister?...unless of course Camille is telling the truth..how about it Kim?Lets hear from you. Why don't you tell us all what was really said?
Camille is very "concerning" to me. I dont understand her viewpoint and she comes across as being "off"..and by the way, why does anyone need 4 nannies and a house manager? what exactly does she do all day that warrants thus much help? Last, her flirting with Nick is so distasteful and is disrespectful to Nick's wife.
Please give Jiggy more air time! He is absolutely adorable and although he doesnt blog, Jiggy does have his own fan following.
I LOVE the fact that we're finally hearing from a HW producer! I feel like all of this behind-the-scenes stuff is always discussed among the cast and/or Andy Cohen, but it's glossed over and explained in a vague way. To be honest, that scene was the most entertaining of the episode...while my heart goes out to Adrienne for the death of her uncle and I'm sure Kyle's fear of flight is genuine, the majority of it was hooooo-hummmmm....until that scene at Serafina. Keep those blogs coming, Mr. Producer!! Can't wait to read next week's :-)
According to Camille's blog she was in HI for a fundraiser for a charity. It makes perfect sense that mean-girl Kyle would say, "Why would anybody care about you if Kelsey isn't there?"
Great re-cap and insight. As much as I don't like Camille I have to admit that I believe her side. It's very telling that Kim hasn't weighed in on the matter. She was the only other person there. Don't you think that she would speak up and defend her sister if she was telling the truth?! Kim is afraid of Kyle (rightfully so) and knows that if she admits that her sister did say something so mean she would get her wrath.
I really enjoyed reading your post and getting a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes. My comment has to do with how people are chosen to be on Bravo reality shows. I watch most of the reality shows on Bravo and it seems as if there is always one person with glaring mental illness such as Kelly on NYC and Michele on DC and now Camille on BH. Don't these women get screened by a Psychiatrist prior to being chosen? I like a little drama on these shows but I stop watching when the women start acting scary crazy... like Kelly on NYC. I hope this show will focus on the interesting women rather than just on 'Crazy Camille'. If this show follows suit and focuses only on Camille, just like NYC did with Kelly and DC did with Michele I will stop watching the show just like I.stopped watching the other two shows. Drama is fine but this.all.borders on crazy and that is not fun to watch.
Ahhhh....THE PLOT THICKENS!!! So we will never get to the real truth behind who said what...Camille or Kyle...that started the Hatfields and McCoy feud. Well, no matter. I'm team Kyle all the way with this one. Camille is looking for trouble and ATTENTION...well, she sure got it! As producers, you guys are doing the best job. This is the best Housewives show ever. Figures it's in Beverly Hills! JUST LOVE THE SHOW!!
These shows are nothing more than a social experiment. Its so interesting to watch. Makes you realize that no matter if you're rich or poor, drama exists everywhere. LOL The only difference is how each one deals with it. I should have been a Psychology or Sociology major instead of a Business Management major.
Thank you for clarifying!
I have a completely different comment/question. This is more of a "What Was She Wearing/Carrying?" question. I'm hoping someone at the production company or within the production actually reads these posts. I loved Kyle's bag in this episode - the one she was carrying in the airport (I assume LAX.) It's kind of visible as she walks up to the Virgin America counter an as she's sitting waiting for the plane talking to the ladies. It's black and I think a Givenchy. Can you please help pinpoint the bag? The designer and model would be extremely helpful. I'm not sure why Bravo doesn't give information on the fashions and accessories featured in such shows as the Real Housewives franchise. I'd love to know what the ladies are wearing! Thank you.
I hope the whole show doesn't center around this. Camille did take the second conversation wrong as Kyle did not attack her in any way and was sincere. The other women are so much more interesting and impressive than Camille. I hope just because of the whole Kelsey/Camille break up the show disregards the other women. The show was pretty good until Camille appeared to take over with the exaggerated drama over something so stupid. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to see. If it does turn into the Camille show though I don't think I'll be able to tolerate her bragging and pole dancing as well as her negative personality.
THAT FIGHT BETWEEN CAMILLE, AND KYLE, KYLE YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO WIN THAT ARGUMENT CAMILLE THOUGHT SHE HEARD THAT AND YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE HER OTHERWISE, CAMILLE IS REALLY IN THE BODY AND MIND OF A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD, SHE IS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT EMOTIONS RIGHT NOW, AND REALLY FEELS INSECURE, BUT THAT CUTESY, WHIMSICAL PERSON IS A LITTLE UNREALISTIC, ONE BECOME VERY TIRED, OF THE DAMSEL IN DISTRESS ATTITUDE, IT BECOMES OLD, CAMILLE GROW UP AND STOP WITH THE PRETENSE, I DONT THINK YOU GREW UP A LITTLE PRINCESS SO STAR ACTING YOUR AGE, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR VOCABULARY.
Thank you for the blog; informative & entertaining! Good job as producer of Beverly HIlls Real Housewives. Looking forward to next week!
To "maria89": if Kim came forth to defend her sister, it would be said, "You're just defending Kyle because she's your sister;" therefore, her best course is to not get in the middle of it. To "BH Producers": Your instincts were right on! And, the only person that would have asked for a review of the tape (had the conversation been taped) is Kyle because Camille would have known the tape would have proven her a deceitful liar. How convenient for her to make a claim that couldn't be proven. Camille is clever, conniving, and quite deceptive whereas Kyle is an open book...what you see is what you get! I don't think Kyle could lie if she wanted to, she's just that honest a person!
So interesting! I loved the Rashomon reference. With poor Kim playing the star witness! She's the most fragile (insecure), off-center housewife in the group and she gets put in the middle of this "MegaBattle Insecure"? That's ironic and at this point, funny.
You say the shows thrive on conflict, but what about that fine line between conflict and bullying? When I wtinessed bullying on the NJ show last season I stopped watching it. Does Bravo have a policy about this issue?
Could you let us know what surrounded Kelsey's comment about marriage? It seemed like he was so detached from his family when they arrived in the NY digs & it was obvious something was up. I'm sure he said more than what you aired.
Please, please, please!
You're a successful Hollywood producer for a reason. Drama is ENTERTAINING. And you must have have some natural "intuition" about how the minds of women work. They react, they think about it, then they react- AGAIN. Keep with that thought process... Kyle likes to "out" the truth. Camille wants to "create" it.
I don't buy it. I think you purposely didn't film or did and figured you could milk this for the rest of the season if we the viewers didn't see what originally happened. I say why should we take sides now if we didn't see what really happened. Its simply who do you like more. In a way the audience you will find is to smarter than that.
Curious....when Camille "invites the girls" to go to NYC, to the opening of her husbands play, Who pays for the plane tickets, the hotel,meals etc? Does Bravo pay, or kick in some, or as a Rich Person...does she pay for their trip, or does each one, pay for their own trip completely?
It seems odd, that certain RH's in other cities have thrown big parties, but have had no money, except what they earn through the show they are on.
so, how does that work? Does Bravo pay for anything, other than the RH's salaries? Do some of the restaurants, clothing stores, hotels etc give a Bravo Rate, for showing the Name of their business, allowing Bravo and the RH's to go party free, or w/in limits based on 'advertising for the site"
Just curious...because some of them, spend a lot of money it seems but its great advertising for the things shown on tv, in their lives.
thanks for explaining that the Incident between Camille and Kyle wasnt filmed... darn. Interesting though, Kim and Lisa both thought that Kyle wouldnt have meant that, that something was a misunderstanding. Plus, Camille seemed to say OK....its over, lets move on...in the bedroom but by the table time she is walking in to start an argument!
No matter who did what...Camille comes out looking like a creep. Its OVER Camille....but she wanted to be right!!! I dont think she counted on Kyle screaming at her.... haha for me, I dont think Kyle said that to Camille...But i do believe that Camille HEARD IT....because its what she believes about herself anyway.
I have always been fascinated to how reality shows are produced. There was this documentary I watched of climbers going up on Mt. Everest and all I could think of was how were the cameramen doing. I find there's always a more interesting back story than what we see on camera as indicated on what you wrote about filming the argument between Camille & Kyle. By the way I'm for Team Kyle!
I look forward to reading more upcoming posts!
This is BY FAR my favorite Housewives franchise. It's always fun for viewers when there's a bit of drama, but this isn't "Danielle" or "Kelly" c-c-c-crazy drama, it's "OMG look at those shoes oh I hope they work this out" drama. Both women were very gracious to eachother in their blogs. I'm just dying to know which woman you side with deep down...of course i'd never ask because I'm too much of a classy RHOBH fan... ;)
I want to hear Kim's take on the Kyle-Camille 'feud'!
It seems that Camille is manipulative enough to have created an issue 'off camera' because she didnt want her words to be recorded.
Thanks for the 'behind the scenes' POV that you bring. It is a very interesting dimension and one that I have been curious about for a long time. I have always wondered: "What did the producers think about that?"
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CONTINUE TO WRITE....I LOVE THE BEHIND THE SCENES ASPECT AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT GOES BEHING EACH EPISODE.....THANK YOU SO MUCH
We know it's not anybody's fault that the pre-drama confrontation was not captured on tape, but that sure would have been a bonus to see it!!