Joyce Giraud de Ohoven

Joyce thinks her Spanglish complicated the "hair incident" but blames Brandi for stirring the pot with Lisa.

on Nov 25, 20130

Hola Mis Amores! I hope you all had a beautiful week and that this coming Thanksgiving is a gorgeous one for you all your loved ones. I'm thankful this year, as I am each year, for being so blessed. I thank God for my family, for our health, and for giving us yet another year to share the happiness.

There was a lot going on before the Cirque classes that you don't see, and a lot of things Brandi had said that made me wonder what sort of a friend she was to people (particularly with how she was acting to Kim and Kyle). Just know that by the time we got to the circus, I was thinking I had to be careful with her, and I felt that I could not trust her.

Let's move on to what you saw in this week's episode. . .

Seeing Yolanda with her gorgeous daughters is so beautiful! It makes me a bit homesick. I miss my mommy all the time. When I was growing up in Puerto Rico, I used to love taking my mommy's things and playing dress up.

Ken's surprise to Lisa was priceless! I've met the gorgeous puppy, and he's just too sweet for words. Although I admit I'm in love with the sexy Giggy. He's a total superstar.

My husband and I really bonded with Kyle and Mauricio over dinner. They poured their heart out and trusted us with their feelings. They are a fun and loving couple, and it's sad they have been going through so much.

I thought Kim was very sweet to organize the circus school for all of us.

232 comments
missyree
missyree

Joyce,  I keep looking for the reasons why some of these women are nasty and rude to you.  I don't see it.  You are a beautiful and vivacious woman and have given everyone a fair shot.  Brandi's behavior is inexcusable period. Carlton, she is just angry and crazy. 

loripoole
loripoole

Joyce, you seem like a very sweet and honest person and sometimes that can backfire.  I think Brandi was trying to befriend you when she told you about Lisa, she just wanted Lisa to like you so she was letting you know to be careful, what you say to her.  Which was actually nice of her, but probably not necessary.  When you "told on her", she went into defense mode,, and Brandi's defense mode, is mean mode.  She has always said she doesn't start things she goes back after people when she feels wronged.  Unfortunatly, this has never ended.  She now doesn't trust you. so she attacks you everytime she sees you (bullying) so that she gets you before you can get her.  I don't even think she realizes that this is why she is doing this.??  I think really she is super sensitive and all that bullying, which it is bullying, whether she likes it or not, is just a defense mechanism so you cannot hurt her.  If you tell her that tho she will probably deny it.  She is very vunerable,  and puts up a big front because of that.  Sometimes, you should probably not share everything that is said... it is better to realize, that if something said is going to hurt that person, it might be better not to repeat it.. especially if it is not meant to hurt that person... hope that makes sense... people talk about other people, its just part of life..  but it is not meant to be hurtful all the time.. some people just need to vent, and in that case 2 friends can keep that between themselves.  Or like in this case she was just trying to tell you Lisa's sore spots so that you would not do something right away to make Lisa not like you.  Actually being nice Brandi.... now Brandi is not my favorite person by far,  I think she has been horribly cruel to you and owes you several huge apologies, (people with low self esteem have the hardest time appologizing)  and she has a lot of growing up to do... but I think if you understand where someone is coming from it is easier for you to deal with... I don't know if you and Brandi will ever be friends or if you even want to... but understanding why she started doing what she did may help you either way...  Just be careful,  i really think you were just trying to hard... Lisa is not that sensitive, and is very understanding... so if you talk to her about all this she will probably understand and she is good at fixing things too.  Good luck Joyce, I am pulling for you, you are a class act... just lay a little lower.. be your nice self, but don't worry so much about she said, she said... and you'll be fine... this is what happens to Kim and Kyle I think too... they just don't realize people are joking when they are... and tell there stories when its really someone kidding...

Mickygal
Mickygal

Joyce seems to make a big deal of absolutely nothing on a regular basis, in a thinly veiled effort to remain in the mix. The hair thing was so petty I didn't care then and I cared less reading this ridiculous explanation. It is hard to believe the silly things she says, so I can't put a lot of stock in her version of events. The name thing would have been a non-issue if she hadn't reacted like a baby. The reaction to Carlton was silly, as was the reaction to Brandi's comment. Brandi is the most open-minded person on the show (TOO open minded for television in some instances...LOL!) and clearly wasn't making any racially disparaging remark...until it got twisted that way. I am finding her portrayal on the show as petty, insipid, not at all bright...I hope if she is sticking around she adjusts how she comes across.

LVanessa
LVanessa

Every show I watch, you just reveal more and more how truly superficial and ignorant you are....you complain that you are being maligned for being ethnic (which i don't think was the case), yet in one broad, incredibly ignorant sweep you insult an entire religion. No, darling, Carlton was not saying that a witch is 'stronger than your God'....Wiccans believe in both aspects of divinity, masculine and feminine, god and goddess. (Because sexual gender is for procreation, divinity transcends this).

If you are too ignorant and close-minded to at least have a rudimentary comprehension of a religion before speaking against it, perhaps you should not show your incredible ignorance by making such comments. You are an INCREDIBLY simple-minded person, you are like a teenager mentally....a superficial, vapid teenager.....with absolutely no thoughts in your head beyond your hair, your husband, your blah blah blah.

sagittariusgirl007
sagittariusgirl007

I love lisa she sometimes come out as primadonna but she is brittish what do you expect, if she was some inland born wanna be Beverly hills child, well that will be a different story. trying hard wanna-be's are never classy.

Suzjdh
Suzjdh

Joyce, the little hair incident came across as silly, and Lisa apologized and dismissed it.  Believe me, the viewers were doing the same.  You are very pretty, but what comes out of your mouth, my teachers use to refer to as "potty mouth"  The various words and topics you use - your period, your husbands size, etc  - are in the "potty mouth" category.   It kind of makes me cringe.  You seem proud of your bachelor degrees.  As one college grad to another, I wish your speech reflected that. 

doxyroxy
doxyroxy

Joyce, I saw the conversation with Lisa at the Thompson before reading this blog.  I thought you were crazy and trying to make an insignificant incident into something it wasn't.  Perhaps that's what Lisa thought at the time too.  When you then confronted Brandi, she lied and said she didn't warn you about Lisa.  Now that I read this blog, it all makes sense.  Now I understand why you confronted Lisa, though the way you went about it was a bit dramatic and wasn't conveyed the way you meant it to be.  No wonder Lisa (and most of the audience) were puzzled!  Glad you are steering clear of Brandi, and hope you & Lisa have been able to start anew.

carom
carom

You come from a collectivist society in which it is normal to touch other people's hair and now live in the most individualist society in which it is considered rude. A lot of things to learn. On the other hand, Americans have a record number of elderly people dying alone in nursing homes so you should not be completely abandoning your  collectivist society values.

grub
grub

Joyce you are just gorgeous and I am sure you bring out some insecurity in other cast members. This show is sort of falling apart because Lisa was such the nice favorite for two seasons and she isn't nice anymore. Kim seems to be rising from the ashes, she looks great, and I understand the possible interest in the Carlton the Wiccan Factor. You and Kim seem to be the only ones not in the mean girls club in a kind of musical chairs season. Anyway, the hair thing with Lisa is cultural. Latinas talk with our hands and touch is a part of talk. With the English, it's like the grandmother said in "What a Girl Wants": "We 're English, my dear. We only show affection to horses and dogs."

2012Lucy
2012Lucy

Why haven't we seen the incident so that we can all judge for ourselves what happened?

randrew
randrew

Joyce, imo your "snappy" incident was out of line and silly. You could have done it in private instead of smack dab in the middle of yet another convo/argument. Wrong pace, wrong time... in fact it should have never happened. Live and learn I guess...

randrew
randrew

Joyce, that had to be the dumbest stint you pulled with Lisa. I don't know if your trying to get your toes wet but that way??? Very embarrassing to watch you... very silly.

kiki16
kiki16

I think you are great!! I am so glad they brought some new people in and they are refreshing and joyful!! I watch SIBERIA~~~ you are wonderful!!

WCW
WCW

If Brandi had to talk/explain to you about Lisa's reaction to you invading her space, then you had to have talked about that incident first, because no way would Brandi have brought that up! If that is your example of Brandi talking behind Lisa's back - then you are guilty of doing that as well. The same would go for any conversation you had with Yolanda, unless you sat there in silence and it was a once sided conversation. There is a strong likelihood that both were trying to give you a heads up on fitting in with the group.  

I wonder who filled you in on their friendships and if you think that constitutes talking behind their backs? I wonder who told you it was alright to be a tattletale and tell Lisa that her friends were talking behind her back? LOL Looks like you are getting played by your new besties and nothing ends well with those two!

SaraJan
SaraJan

I really like you. You're a real person and very likable. On the hair incident with Lisa, I must admit, you might've overreacted a little. I personally would feel irritated to have someone I barely know yet get into my personal space without permission. But I do think it's your way of being friendly, just don't think it was worth bringing up it up afterwards.

Diane69802
Diane69802

Well Joyce you need to learn one thing in English....that conversation that you wanted to have with Lisa in private was NOT private and you knew it.  I would have reacted the same as Lisa...she doesn't know you and clearly didn't want you touching her....its rude and an invasion of someone one's personal space.  It wasn't rude of her to flip her hair and say it doesn't matter because clearly she didn't care about her hair right then, you care about YOUR hair because you are always flipping it, is that rude?  I saw it as an attempt to get some air time and try to look relevant.  It was painful to watch as you continued your "private" conversation back to the girls and dragging Yolanda and Brandi in it.  You are out of your league if you think they are going to put up with that, you are sooo wrong.  Word to the wise...don't screw with Lisa, Kyle has been trying to take her down for the past two seasons and all its done is make her more popular.  Watch your step and remember you are the new girl not the popular girl.

sdotnyc1
sdotnyc1

Wow!  I'm glad I decided to read this blog because my perspective of Joyce has totally changed!  I saw her as immature and trying to get into the spotlight by bringing up seemingly petty issues on camera.  I really wished she would have just outed Brandi and Yolanda for pretty much stirring the pot behind Lisa's back.  That would have made things much clearer to the viewers.  I hope we get to see this more of this Joyce on camera!

I don't understand why Brandi is out for Lisa this season when she's been such a good friend to her.  These women are way too old for the two-faced, backstabbing teenage games!

p-note
p-note

Joyce I think the hair strand thing was very petty and dumb! But I was glad that you called out Brandi and Yolanda!! I'm sure Kyle was thrilled to death about it.....

Eva18
Eva18

Somehow I remember the hair tossing discussion differently. Didn't Joyce begin the conversation by telling Lisa that Lisa had been rude to her? Then she explained that she was only trying to brush her hair from her face. I remember her referencing Yolanda and Brandi as validation of her statement that Lisa had indeed been rude.

 

Which is it people?

 

I've only seen the episode once and, frankly, they are boring and no longer rate a second look. 

 

 

GMunoz
GMunoz

I like you Joyce! You're fun and nice and latina just like me(: I honestly think you're doing good by sticking with Kyle because she's my other favorite! About the Lisa drama, well I think it was just a misunderstanding and it's best to not get into that. I like Lisa a lot she's one of my favorites too but I feel like she's too trusting of Brandi and Yolanda. They seem like the kind of people who will start shit just for attention so watch out girl! 

generaljoe
generaljoe

everyone here is missing the point....Brandi and Yolanda talking behind their supposed to be best friend's back...Joyce said she knew that It sounded silly and petty....but she didn't want it to get back to Lisa in a negative way....most of you sound like you're jealous of Joyce by nit picking the fact the she calls her mom "mommy" .....read between the lines...even Lisa said read her post and all will be clearer. 

ccollier08
ccollier08

I think that you all missed the point... Perhaps, you missed it because you do not like Joyce. The Hair-gate was about getting things squared away to being factual since Brandi and Yolanda talked to her about it. They are close to Lisa, and they could have went back and said anything negative to Lisa. It doesnt matter what anyone says - Lisa trusts Brandi and Yolanda over anyone else. She wanted to be open and talk it out directly to the person instead of talking behind their back.... What is it that you didn't UNDERSTAND?! Did you read the blog as to why she even brought it up?? Seriously. Do any of you think before you write?

xxjamboreexx
xxjamboreexx

Joyce, you are a breathe of fresh air in the show. However you have honestly picked a wrong friend. To be completely honest, be diplomatic when you are with the girls. True colors will show eventually after a while, in the mean time lay low and observe and listen. Comments are better kept to yourself then blurt it out to the girls. 

 

With regards to the hair incident, I completely understand where you are coming from. But perhaps you should go to Lisa first. But no point crying over spill milk, perhaps you can still give LIsa a call to explain things. I am sure Lisa is not a petty person. Things may have started out on the wrong foot. Beware of Kyle as she is not as nice as it seems. I am not saying she is a evil person which I think non of the girls are, but Kyle likes to play the victim and she is a crappy unsupportive friend. If you are in trouble she will be the last, no I should say she will never be there to give you a hand. As quoting what she say " I would not want to fight anyone's battle"

Latto
Latto

Could you please leave your hair alone for five seconds !! We can all see you love your hair and you want to make sure that we all notice it. It's a bit much with the constant hair tossing. STOP !!

Leave Lisa alone--. You have to come up with something better  than her hair  to pick a fight with her. It made you look stupid.

EveyV1001
EveyV1001

Sometimes you have to pick your battles and the hair incident should not have been one of them.  You should have just made a mental note that Lisa doesn't like her hair touched and move on.

RoseWilde
RoseWilde

I like you, Joyce. Hair-Gate was completely awkward, but I appreciate the message you wanted to convey to Lisa, and it seems that Lisa can appreciate it now, too. Lisa needs more friends like you on this show! Welcome!

Weva
Weva

you may be a bit too innocent for this group.....good luck to you

Jettybaby
Jettybaby

Hi Joyce,  I completely get what you are saying.  Got it on the last episode too.  As the "new" girl, you wanted to come clean and tell Lisa about your conversations with Yolanda and Brandi so as not to come across gossipy, two-faced or to be lumped into their crap.  You probably could have picked a better or more private time to talk to Lisa.  But, I get it, you were/are nervous about the situation.  I would be nervous coming into this pit of vipers as well LOL.  Good luck, stay sweet and don't let them turn you.  Trust your instincts.  Brandi is trouble with a "T".  Lisa may be sarcastic and a bit cutting at times, but at least she does it to your face.  I also don't believe she's doing it to be mean.  She is witty and intelligent above and beyond most of these women.  Note: Watch your back with Kyle, she's not all sweetness and niceties.  

Fi_NZ
Fi_NZ

You're adorable!! xxxx

mimiy2k
mimiy2k

First, stop with LOL.  Putting a LOL within a snarky comment doesn't white wash the snarkiness.  It just sounds disingenious.  The rest of what I have to say I posted on Lisa's blog.  Here is a copy.

Lisa -- if you left the cast I would have no interest in watching RHOBH ever again.  However I think that is exactly what you should do.  These petty, gossipy, social climbing women are beneath you.  Period.  Everything you say or do is picked apart, twisted, misinterpreted.  It's a high school "mean girls" thing.  You have a wry, very British sense of humor and these schoolgirls choose to take it wrong, take every word you say apart, and then attack you.  Ridiculous!  Franky, they're jealous.  You have a long, solid marriage, have built and run scores of successful restaurants, scored a second reality show on Bravo, etc.

 

Of all the ridiculous and petty nonsense these women out out, Joyce "calling you out" because she CHOSE to take the hair thing the wrong way was possibly the pettiest thing any castmate has ever done on RHOBH since it started.  It was manufactured and "much ado about absolutely nothing!"  Frankly, I don't care for others besides my husband and hairdresser  touching my hair and I would have pulled back too.  Then Miss Universe Wannabe made a big deal of how she was one who deals with such things in private and then marched right back out to the bar and called you out in front of the other women.  Shallow is as shallow does and that one is clearly shallow and clearly wanted to jump on the "criticize Lisa" bandwagon by doing the same.  That's what the "mean girls" in high school do in order to worm their way into the clique they want to be in.  "I like who you like" and "I hate who you hate."

 

You're too good for them (too mature, confident, etc.) so don't let them pull you down into the mud where they seem to live.  Don't let them reduce you to someone who has to put up with their sophmoric junk and indignities.  They are not in your league.  I thought maybe Yolanda was but, all you need to do is watch last year's Paris episode to realize she lied to you and absolutely did talk behind your back ("If she was that concerned about you, Kim, she would have called you this morning", etc.).  You were very gracious to give her the benefit of a doubt but I would have respected her a lot more if, when Kyle raised that at the reunion, she had looked you square in the eye and said, "You know I am very forthright and call things as I see them Lisa.  I did say that and that is how I felt at the time but I do want to apologize for not bringing that up to you rather than Kim."  Taylor showed a lot more class than Yolanda with her apology to Yolanda during the reunion show.

 

So my eyebrow is arched regarding Yolanda but I'll give her a chance as the season progresses.  As for the rest of them, don't waste your time defending yourself, explaining yourself, or anything else with this social climbing, high school clique of drama queens!

 

Brem
Brem

I think that the people who are calling you out should go and read Lisa's blog.  Lisa admits that she should have listened to you more closely that day because there was truth to your words.  I feel bad that people are giving you so much heat over so many petty little things (like the fact that you call your mom "Mommy," or the fact that you have a habit of tossing around your hair)- because according to Lisa, you should be patting yourself on the back for giving her fair warning.  

Livyluv
Livyluv

Well it's nice to hear your explanation... I don't think people need to invade peoples private space...however being that you are not from this country I understand it! You are gorgeous and your hair is amazing...I'm not sure exactly how I feel about you yet...but time will tell!

Vicky88
Vicky88

I like you. I just don't think you need to have little dramas for no reason. You are better than that and I truly believe that. I will always be your fan because unlike Cartlton, you are not a judgemental person who just rushes to conclusions about people. Keep doing your thing girl!

LisaDreamCruise
LisaDreamCruise

Talk about an awkward attempt for camera time..  That was weird. Really weird.  

cavex2
cavex2

If the wind blows my hair or it gets messy, I really do not like anyone touching it.  I hated it when my Mother would do it when I was a kid.  So I can understand that it annoyed Lisa, especially when she was upset with Brandi.  It was poor timing on your part and a poor choice of touching someone inappropriately.  If you were her close friend of several years, maybe it would have been ok.  

So I don't think Lisa did anything wrong and perhaps you owed her an apology for getting in her personal space when you are still a stranger (new acquaintance).

rockemsockem34
rockemsockem34

You are completely irrelevant and when you started this show, you came out with a plan to "try" to be relevant.  Lisa's response to you pushing her hair???? Are you kidding?  If someone did that to me, I would pull back too.  You would think with all of your "degrees" you supposedly have, you would've taken a course in Psychology.  No one likes their personal space invaded.....Hope this is your one and only season.  I would much rather see Marissa instead of you. Take your small husband and go away....

sugarcoatnsmoke
sugarcoatnsmoke

 @ccollier08 you nailed it ccolier.  I understood exactly what she was saying and it wasn't about the hair, yet that's all everyone is focusing on.  They didn't read her blog before they commented. They are upset that she is saying "Mommy" at her age and then criticizing her for making a big deal about the hair. It's so hilariously hypocritical. 

Reba39forever
Reba39forever

 @ccollier08They missed the point because the queen diva kept flipping her hair and yelling "no you said it like this" over and over and over again. Perhaps the very educated beauty queen should take a local community college class for communication.  Because the failure to communicate was entirely on her.  Instead of repeating repeatedly the information that did not matter and barely slipping in the information that did it would have been nice if she'd had an actual articulate conversation.  Spanglish is a copout.  Her English is just fine. She actually made her beautiful hair ugly.

 

ccollier08
ccollier08

 @EveyV1001 It wasn't about touching hair - It was about NOT TALKING BEHIND SOMEONE's BACK! Apparently, it was brought up to JOYCE, and she wanted to take it to Lisa directly...

Harrods
Harrods

 @mimiy2k Love your reasoning.  I agree. Lisa is way too good for RHBH. She ought to CONSIDER bowing out gracefully.  I'm very disappointed in "social climbing" Brandi.  Last season I got the impression that she is straightforward, unpretentious and honest but now, I'm not so sure.  I think she latches onto the richest/prettiest/most popular person she can find, then uses them for leverage.  Wonder what she used to say to Adrienne before that relationship went sour.  Wonder how many freebies/opportunities she got out of that association.  After the Adrienne debacle, Brandi made a beeline for Lisa.  They formed the anti Cedric, anti Adrienne and anti Richard sisters alliance and there seemed to be a mutual appreciation between them, though Lisa always had the upper hand IMO.  Lisa represents everything that Brandi would like to have/be. It's understandable that Brandi would want to maintain a friendship with her. I'm pretty sure that Lisa already has Brandi's (metaphorical) number and has NOT (I hope) opened her heart up too much.  Lunches, dinners, trips, clothes and gossip are one thing.  Accepting another person into your heart as a friend is quite a different story.

I doubt that any of these 'ladies' are real friends anyway.

Every season they change and shift "loyalties" with each other.

I think it will be interesting to understand when and why Brandi gets the audacity to say 'I JUST CHECKMATED YOU BITCH', to Lisa.  

Now, I see Brandi making moves on Carlton while cosying up to Yolanda too. Brandi, Brandi, Brandi, she epitomises the phrase:  'hurt people hurt people'.

Opening popcorn and tuning in!  

This was meant to be about Joyce!!!  All I can say is: Joyce, proceed with caution.

ybvmoveon
ybvmoveon

 @mimiy2kyou're so rude. this is HER blog. She can put how many LOLs how many times she wants. Leave her be. You're no better than her, honey. 

ccollier08
ccollier08

 @mimiy2k Perhaps, you should have read the blogs before you copy and paste this stupid comment here...

ccollier08
ccollier08

 @Brem Why do people care what she calls her mom... I call my Mother - "Mommy" or "Mama" all the time... is it not your right to call your MOTHER what you want to call her?!

Kate123
Kate123

 @rockemsockem34

 Degrees does not equate intelligence. You can be an idiot and take college courses and still be an idiot with a degree. College only enhances what a person already has not what they don't have.

Lubby
Lubby

 @ccollier08  @Brem I honestly agree my kids are grown and STILL call me mama I LOVE it and wouldn't have it any other way. For our family it's a sign of endearment my parents were southern and my kids only spent a short time with them before they passed. I would rip someones head off if they made fun of my kids. 

CrazyKoolaid
CrazyKoolaid

 @Reba39forever  @ccollier08  @Brem

Agree with you all!      Astounding that this is an issue strangers would question let alone, feel entitled to reprimand as incorrect.   I lost my mother a year ago. My final words to her was "I love you Mommy".   Why....quite simple, that is who she was and lovingly referred as.