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Karent graciously invited all the women to Thomas Kramer’s home to host a dinner party. Anyone who knows Thomas understands how big his personality is and understands what to expect. I enjoy his unique sense of humor and find him entertaining. He sometimes comes across as inappropriate but doesn't mean any harm; that’s just how he is. I felt Joanna and Ana overreacted to Thomas’ comments. I know he was not trying to be malicious. I have been the butt of his jokes in the past, and I simply laugh it off or give it back to him in joking manner.
Joanna and Adriana seemed as though they were making an effort to get over their differences to move on. I guess if you saw them on Watch What Happens Live, you know how that turned out! It seems everything was fine until the episode at my house with their physical fight came out. Perhaps it rehashed memories and emotions. People who saw the fight of course picked sides and that helped fuel the fire. I do hope they can move on because I like them both. I have not taken sides and don’t intend to.
Lea then jumps into a conversation Marysol was having to defend James. And now almost all of us were in a bad mood and arguing. I can’t blame Thomas for getting so angry. I lost it at my lingerie event also when my guests were behaving poorly. The problem is these women pick the most inappropriate place to start this nonsense.
I like you on the show, but it is really annoying that you NEVER write your blog!! I mean, come on, you don't work so how hard would it be to write a blog about your own life?!
WOW - U HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR 'BOOBS BUILT THIS HOUSE!' AND THEIRS JUST A LOT OF FAB INSITE AND ZEST TO YOU GIRL! UVE SURPRISED US ALL - GOOD FOR U!
Lisa, I recently lost a friend because she was a fairweather friend and ditched me when I needed support. Seeing how you supported Karent on the trip, how you genuinely cared about her, how you were so thoughtful and tried to protect her from the women's callousness - it was so nice to witness what a true friend is like. THANKS.
I think you are a great gal. You are loyal and kind to everyone even if they don't deserve it always. You are an awesome addition to the group. I wish nothing but the best for you!
I can't believe Elaine was "working" that party. I would never hire him, totally unprofessional to start a confrontation with a GUEST whether you knew them or not.
I just saw the issue where you were struggling with trying to get pregnant, I woke up the next morning and you were the first thing on my mind. I too have been there and I feel for you, I was scared that my fiance would leave if I did not get pregnant.
Anyway, I will cut a long story short, I was 40 in 2007 when we fell in love and I had five miscarriages and finally 2011, I had a baby, it was hard work, I did a couple of things like accupuncture that helped, but there was one thing I did that really changed everything and I know you can do it and I think i know the secret. I thought since it was an old episode you maybe pregnant already, but if you are not you might just want to hear what I have to say. I am 45 and I am going to try and have another one. It is not IVF, because I was not wealthy enough for that option so I had to do something else and it only took us a month too after five miscarriages. I hid my pain and when I finally got pregnant, I only told people the day before I was supposed to give birth ! :). There are so many women of 40 and above whom are trying to get pregnant, my only wish is that if it works for you, you share it with as many people as possible so that all those women who think they have to go through IVF will have hope. I do not know if you read these posts, I hope you do, you just might be willing to try something new. I am a normal woman who was just tired of seeing that broken look on my fiance's face and since he was so good to me, I had to give him a baby and I am 45 and I am going to have another one! It was so much heartbreak the first time, that I was in two minds, I was like go that again, but he wants another one and to prove it can be done, I will do it again! This will be for all those women out there and to you for speaking out for all those women who are 40 and want their own child. I not only talk the talk, I walk the walk, Bravo to you for naming the pain and I hope you are brave enough to reach out to me, cos i know I can help you, I am not a crackpot! Take care Olayinka
You are too freaking cute! You're a great wife and friend, and it shows on this show. YAY LISA!
Hi Lisa. You are one of my favorites. I want to wish you luck in becoming pregnant. However, if your husband really loves you there's no reason why your marriage should fail. True love is much deeper than basing it on baring children. While it is a bleasing it should be a reason for a break up, when there's true love.
i have to say you have REALLY grown on me. I wasnt' sure at first, but you are one good friend. I loved and greatly respect how you were such a good and true friend to Karent, unlike the mean girl blondie Alexia who is about as witchy as they get, you could see the thrill over delivering this news....she must be miserable to take such joy.
I wish you the best, in having a baby...you are a genuinely kind loyal person and you have won me over BIG TIME!
Good luck with having a child. Acupuncture really works-hang in there and take any herbs/homework they give you seriously. Hopefully, you will teach your child someday that they are extremely privileged. You already have so many blessings. Perhaps, you should consider stopping competing with others over material possessions. Life is about so much more. Spend some time giving back to the world as much as you receive from it and you may gain even more from life. -Blessings.
I wasn't a big fan of RHOM until I started watching you! I adore you. You're so sweet to every one.
Why is your mother in law calling out Prez O on his political stand..she's from RUSSIA..check out your government before calling anyone else out. SHUT IT!!
In case you haven't realized it yet, your friends behave poorly because they have no semblance of manners or class. And, associating with someone as ignorant as TK does in fact deplete your brain cells. It's obvious people only show up to his events because of his wealth, certainly not his charm!
I want to give you props for your Salute to America. Seems these past 4 yrs all we hear is how bad America is and how we are selfish. Nothing can be further from the truth. We are the ONLY country who has saved people in other countries from Dictator's. Hell if it wasn't for the United States Of America the French would be speaking German! And the sad thing is the French don't even appreciate us. Not all but many don't. When we are needed we are ALWAYS there. So I Thank you for recognizing that our country is a Great & Giving Country!! God Bless you
At the hellish party, no one is more wrong than others. So stop blaming Thomas or Lisa. Everyone does not listen to others while they are talking. Everyone is fast to react before they see the situation clearly. Everyone is not above anyone else. Lisa, at least you are genuine inspite of your faux breast and you seem nicer than others. Actually I am impressed how well you tolerate and handle your Russian mother-in-law. Bravo to you.
All i have to say is shame on all of you who stayed after Elsa an elderly lady was insulted like that ! and for Lisa to jump on the table and put on a show for that dirty old man was so classless and tasteless! Leas husband was smiling the entire time and Lisa's sat by and watched his wife jump on the pole! wow you people have no morals no courage nothing! Lisa said when you go to Thoma house you have to play by his rules? what rules? no self respect? no dignity or loyalty not even empathy for Elsa? shame on all of you!
The dinner reminded me of the fable 'The Emperor Has No Clothes'. Because it appears that only Ana had the courage stand up to a little, petty, sexist bully like Thomas. The rest of you were too afraid to insult the 'Emperor' in fear that perhaps you would lose your social standing. And to not say something when he went after Elsa shows the lack of character for all those that remained. Funny without the glare of the camera's Thomas was this wonderful man who threw great parties - but in the light of the camera's America saw him for what he is - a petty, rude, sexiest bully. And btw - it's clear that none of you are naitive to Florida or else you would all know that southern hospitality dictates the all guests to your home are treated with respect.
Thomas offended me. However, all of these ladies have somehow offended me by their reactions and getting involved in the drama of it all. Karent who is constantly stirring the pot. Joanna the lush, Adriana who likes to take jabs and blame it on her speech barrier... Ana should not have tried to defend Marysol. Marysol has never been one to be public about her issues. Lea shouldn't have stuck her nose in this either... I was surprised at that .... Lisa you defused it with humor .... as always... I think that's your defense mechanism... It is NOT anyone's place to get into anyone others business. NO MATTER HOW WELL THEY THINK THEY KNOW THEM .... We are all adults .... Thomas blew a gasket ... but rightly so ... He was over the top ... takes things too far ... but really... these women are too far up in each others business... including HEWOMAN (Elaine) .... Lisa was only doing what she thought would take away from a situation that should have never happened...
Oh please! In no way was pig Kramer right to treat any guest like he did. Only people with a total lack of social graces would think he acted appropriately. Diffused it with humor?....GAG!! She put her stamp of approval on his disgusting behavior by climbing on the table like a skid row stripper and giving her disgusting little show to please the rude pig. I am sickened that people now think this is typical behavior for Florida's citizens. They certainly scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with this cast.
There IS no appropriate time for a large man like James to confront a lady like Marysol. If HE does not like what she says and does....just stay away from her. The image of that huge man towering threateningly over Marysol was just horrible. Here's hoping we never see him or the pig Kramer on the show again.
@rosyposy --Looking at the show again the folded fan James/Elaine is shoving in Marysol's face gets closer and closer to hitting her. It was very threatening!
What's wrong with you?????? Pole dancing...REALLY????? And all to appease a big mouthed, woman hating, bully of a sub-human by the name of Thomas Kramer. You really lowered your standards (if you have any) by that little performance. Where WAS your husband during this and WHY didn't he correct the buffoon Kramer for commenting on your body parts and disrespecting woman in general. Hope you go bye bye next season, can't see where you have much to offer in the way of entertainment.
I don't understand why you thought pole dancing at a dinner party was an appropriate, classy way to diffuse the situation, especially after the comment TK made about your breasts. You really just validated his low opinion of women. Perhaps you'd have more respect for your body parts if they were actually your body parts!
PS: your husband should get his balls back from Kramer, hes gonna need them if you want to start a family.
haileybop two words: its miami. LOL. dancing on a table is just another night, dinner party or not. Lisa is the best. quit hatin!
Apparently you think that if a person has money and a warp sense of humor, it gives him the right to insult, put down, make crass comments to the guest in his house. I think Ana is so right, it seems all of you lost some brain cells just being there. CHARACTER is what makes a person valuable, don't confuse SELF importance and narcissism with strength. His own daughter doesn't justify or like this horrible man's behavior.
A person can be eccentric, quirky and even enduringly inappropriate at times without being socially inept, cruel, demeaning and simply rude. Being "in his own home", does not excuse this kind of behavior. To ring a bell in someone's face and tell them to shut up? To tell them the conversation is inappropriate then ask a surgeon about how many boobs he's seen today? "Poking" at one of your guests in a "kidding" manner that their fiance is cheating (pretty sure you would be a little more offended if it had been about Lenny)? SCREAMING at a friend that was doing nothing more than telling others to bring the level down? This "man" is a buffoon and none of the people at that table would give him the time of day if he weren't wealthy. Each and every person that stayed at the table and listened to that "man" scream, insult and control in the name of "his own home" simply SOLD themselves for a price. Ana wasn't even being offensive and literally JOINED a conversation. A 5 year old child deserves to be treated and talked to with more respect than that man did to a grown woman. Shame on him and shame on anyone that enables him.
RealHousewifePalmCoast Yours was the best post I read concerning the "Thomas Kramer Affair" It was exactly how I saw it.
you are one of my favorite people on the show, but i was really disappointed in the way you acted at the dinner party. instead of coming to the defense of the other women against this tyrannical pig, you did something even worse than nothing: you got up and did a pole dance in front of him. now, i know you were trying to lighten the mood, but in this instance, you really just made it worse. this man already thinks that women are nothing but mindless prostitutes and you confirmed it.
all the ladies are to blame.
I was truly affected by your discussion with Karent regarding your miscarriages. My fingers are crossed that you carry a healthy baby to term and start the family you so desire. I must say that you are extremely thin and for some women, this can affect pregnancy.
Regarding the dinner from hell, I see both sides. Host should be pleasant with guest and vice versa. He did slave all day to cook for his guests, but at the same time just because someone does or says something he does not like does not give him the right to speak to someone in such a rude way.
I think you like the attention. You are beautiful with a great body. Your husband is the king of boob jobs and you represent his work. You interpreted TK's comments differently than Anna did, but I wonder seeing the footage now if you are offended as Anna was.
There was no excuse for the way Thomas acted. He is wealthy but in my opinion he is nothing but a dirty old man. You were wrong to drag Joanna back. She had bad vibes about this house and man. I wasn't even there but felt like I needed a shower after viewing this
episode. Your husband was wrong for not cutting him off when he was making reference to your breasts. Do people of wealth in Miami have no class or respect for one another, especially thier wives.
I didn't watch this episode, the videos on Bravo were enough for me already. The people on this show have no moral fiber whatsoever. Lisa, you actually have a chance, because you have heart like a couple others on the show. Someday you will grow into a fierce women, drop the over sexual attention seeking fashion, and be gorgeous in a sophisticated way, I can tell, you are intelligent...Hopefully Bravo will realize that fans don't want to see all the bawdy, negative drama, and over the top sexual behavior. We as fans really want to see more fun. Until the show goes back to fun, I am staying away. Real Housewives of BH is so much more classy, even the lowest class gals on that show are higher class then some of the pond scum they dug up for this show...I mean, Elaine, Joe Francis, Thomas Kramer, etc....These people, and some of the housewives on this show are missing everything relating to depth and moral fiber.
FanOfCaroleHousewives I think you are expecting way too much for her to sophisticated :/
You don't excuse disrespectful people by saying that is just who they are & no harm was meant! I agree he was joking with Joanna! I think she may have gotten offended because maybe there was a little truth to that joke. I don't think he realized that. The way he talked to Ana and Elsa, NO WAY is there any excuse for being that disrespectful to people!!! You ring a bell @ a dinner party and scream at a women to stop talking. Really!! He knew what group was coming to his home. Let them hash it out!! I can't look at this man on my TV ever again! You don't measure how much respect you give someone by how much money they have. I have lost respect for everyone who defended his actions.
Clh I agree, however, I think TK knew about the Joanna / Romain situation. (Everyone at the table knew) The first thing out of his mouth was, "is he cheating on you?". Who says that?? He wanted to see Joanna squirm. Nasty guy.
Everyone is allowed their own opinion. My thoughts on you are that you are a lot younger than I thought you were. TK will do whatever he wants to whomever he wants, as long as people allow him to do what he wants. Personally my personal beliefs are not for sale. Ann though I don't like how she has become stood up for women. I do think she was being rude talking while the host was trying to "herd in the cats'. But everything she said about the host was true. Lisa was appalled by what TK said about Elsa, she should have also been appalled by everything he said and stands for, instead of getting on the table.
While I do think it's admirable for you to want to keep the peace and not take sides, it is not admirable to condone your friends being so blatantly and harshly disrespected, which is what you did. And no offense to your Lenny, but I lost some respect for the husbands who sat through that and remained at that man's table.
The husbands were too quiet but honestly, could they have gotten a word in? I wouldn't have come to Ana's defense. At that point, with Joanna tearing up over the jerk's jokes, and Ana deciding to pipe up, and Lea grandstanding, I'd have shut up too. Most of them know the host. What I have a problem with is the constant drama and prickliness. Lisa pole dancing however tastefully is just sad. And Adriana thinking that would raise the mood is just gross.
Lisa, Love you but...WHY did you drag Joanna by the hand back into that house?!?! Joanna was insulted, embarrassed and mostly hurt by TK. Whether you agree with her feelings or not they are STILL her feelings! Marysol stood by Ana's decision to walk out. I only wished you would have supported Joanna's decision to leave. Three of the other ladies left the dinner that night, I'm sure Romain would have understood Joanna's decision to walk out.
Hi Lisa- The problem I have with your scenario about Ana or Marysol is...who are you to judge them for leaving Thomas Kramer's circus performance dinner? You had your husband sitting right next to you...do ya think Thomas the destroyer was going to ring the bell at you and tell you to shut up? The answer is no because he would have been afraid your husband would have stood up for you and trounced him. There is absolutely no reason for him to jump all over Mama Elsa, especially since she was trying to calm things down. Again Elsa did not arrive at this debacle dinner with a male escort. It seems to be Kramers modes operandi to attack his female guests without a male there to defend them. Another example is Johanna whose male escort, Romain just left the dinner. He viciously accused the guy of cheating on her then proceeded to belittle Romain's occupation. Stop defending this loser to us or you will make us suspect of your good will toward your friends and more importantly the way you see yourself.
Well this time a voice of reason..... I agree 100% with you in the choice of places to hold discussions, confrontations that escalate. TK was completely out of line with Elsa, he could have used a different approach when speaking about the drama at the table, Ana sadly enough was taken out of the equation for defending Marysol AGAIN! I hope she realizes by now that you cannot fight the battles for others, Elaine was angry.... rightfully so.... Marysol did not want the confrontation specially on TV because it will hurt her business... they are both bad mouthing each other's business. Marysol said in her blog that she did not understand the question from her friend about Elaine and charging, I don't think that Elaine will do things for free that is her livelihood....
I am so incredibly disappointed after reading this. I was willing to overlook the fact that you, in my opinion, embarrassed your husband, by walking ( I mean we can't call it dancing) around that pole on top of a dinner table in mixed company. However, your blog being in continued support of how Thomas behaved to the ladies is completely unacceptable. Why would the host of a party insinuate that someone's fiance is cheating on them, talk about another mans wife's breasts, ring a bell in someones face, ask guests to shut up and leave BC they're not adhering to orders being barked at them, and overly insult and be raid an elderly woman you've been friends with for 18 + years BC she's trying to help you diffuse the situation that is irritating you?? I don't find any of it eccentric or humorous in an offbeat way. I find it utterly disgusting, and you defending him is even worse. The fact that yoou seem to think this behavior is OK, is why men feel its OK to disrespect women.
lisa, i really like you. what i don't understand is, how come lea is hell bent on defending this kramer guy. perhaps he donates a lot? is influential? ana has every right to be upset as he singled him out and from what i can see, he does not like to be talked back at. he has some major ego issues. nevertheless, it's LEA BLACK who started all this. why didn't thomas call out lea instead? or marysol? why ana? nevertheless, i really like you. just don't be friends with karent anymore. she irritates the hell out of me. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THROUGH KARENT?
I like you but sorry Ana had every reason to react the way she did. Yes it was his house but he was waaaay out of line. I do agree Elaine picked the wrong time to confront Marysol HOWEVER it was actually Lisa Pliner that caused this. She should have waited til after the fashion show to tell him.
Lisa I like u but seriously you gave Tomas the satisfaction of dancing on the pole that's sad. He is a trash and apparently all u guys see is a money sign and status. Ana did not deserve to get humiliated like that glad she walked out
Lisa, so far you are my favorite, but TK is disgusting and no one should get the "get out of jail free card" because "thats just how he is". His big personality is real big and disgusting!!!!
After watching this episode, my perception of you completely changed, Lisa. So far this season, I have admired your beauty, humor, and neutral stance in the petty fights that have occurred. I realize now you are just "boobs in a cocktail dress" who has no concept of self worth or understanding of how men should treat (and talk to) women. TK verbally and sexually harasses his "guests" and you, Lea and Karent think he has been disrespected? For your sake, I hope you watched this episode and second guessed your original opinion. Now there is no arguing with crazy, so I don't think you should have confronted TK, especially in his home. But you certainly shouldn't have defended him!
By the time you were strutting on a millionaire's dinner table, there was no "peace" left to be made.The only thing you created was a fool of yourself. I was so sad to see your husband giggling throughout TK's tirade; seems as if both of you are shallow and spineless.
I follow you on twitter and its clear that you have a very high opinion of yourself (retweeting all of your doting fans complimentary comments). If I were you, I'd soak up all the fame you can get this season, because I think you are just another boring, pretty face who will fizzle out. The housewives who viewers want to watch are either A. dramatic and magnetic trainwrecks (Kenya, Vicki, Teresa) or B. strong and respected women (Kyle, Heather, Kandi). As the season began, I truly thought that you were B. Not anymore.