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We open the show with my mother visiting Lea. It was a funny exchange watching Lea explain how the woman mom argued with is really a man dressed as a character. Mom’s reaction was priceless, as usual. The rest of the conversation is just too tiresome to re-hash week after week so I will skip any further commentary.
By now you have met the fabulous Lauren Foster, who accompanied me to the Lisa Pliner luncheon. Lisa approached Lauren to donate items for her event gift bag from the Miami Institute where Lauren is employed, as well as invited her to attend. We were excited to go to the luncheon and I was looking forward to seeing many of the Miami ladies I socialize with on a regular basis. When I saw the episode and heard what Lisa said, I was in shock! I had a very different conversation with her which was via text message. Lisa had asked me on several occasions if I had recommendations for staging and catering that would be interested in donating their products and services. Since I don’t rent out furniture or own staging equipment, I couldn’t help her with that request. Philippe, my husband at the time, owns a catering business but he was in France for several months because his grandmother had passed, so I could not offer his catering services. Someone told me that Elaine was hosting the event and that usual dread came over me that I get when I know I am going to run into him. I asked Lisa if she had hired him to host via text, she responded “Maybe because.” I wasn’t quite sure what she meant and I responded “? why?” I didn’t understand what she meant so I said “? why?” meaning “What? Because why?” She answered that if Elaine was charging she would not going to use him, so I offered recommendations just as I had with the other elements of her event. She mentioned two separate times that she did not want to use him if he was going to charge her.
You are the classiest HW of all HW's. I m sorry you have to put up with such ignorance. One thing I've learned from watching HW's is that like LuAnn says, money does not buy you class. So many HW's and others on these shows amaze me at their ignorance. Keep up the way you are and don't let the others bring you down. You are right to not give things your time. That is what makes you classy.
Marina and Elsa come from communist countries so they have an irrational fear of how normal governments operate. I'm an immigrant too but, because of the rich socialist country I come from, I once had to listen to the same unsolicited hogwash from a Cuban immigrant. We're all the sum of our experiences, some people just come from extreme examples so they have extreme ideas. Plus Marina and Elsa are old and crazy.
miboe83 I'm also going to give those women a bit of a pass for being old and crazy. Unfortunately, being on RHOM gives them an audience. My beef is that some people who are living in the States and benefitting from all that means are critical of our government. There's no place in the world like the U.S.A. We are all lucky to be here and no one should say disrespectful things about our President. Don't agree with him? OK, that's your right. Make your point and we'll have a discussion or an aruement because that's also our right. Don't say stupid, outrageous things. I believe in embracing immigrants who come to the States and want to be Americans because that will gie them and their families a better life. But for anybody here who just wants to get anything they can out of America and then thumb their noses at us, I say "Love it or leave it." Nobody in the U.S.A. will hold a gun to your head to make you stay. Unlike some other countries which I won't name.
I am so glad to hear that you have not spoken to Thomas since the incident with your mother, in my opinion that was way out of line and simply unforgiveable ! I cannot believe the others just sat there and especially the men ? to allow a woman to be disrespected like that? Lisa was carried up on the table to pole dance? and KarenT, feeling sorry for "poor Thomas" ? the best part was when Joanna, who for once had exited with some dignity came back to say " I adore you but please don't disrespect my boyfriend" as she cried, and he called her a nut on her period ! she deserves it for coming back !As for that he/she who keeps confronting you at every event? get restraining order he/she is a BIG classless bully !
At least I wasn't the only one that was upset about the disrespectful comment that Elsa made. A lot has been said about her right to voice her opinion , because "This is America", that is true. She had all the rights to say anything she wants to about anyone she wants to day it about.
My issues was her statement calling the President of the United States of America, an animal. It's beyond disrespectful. As bad as this may sound, as a person that can't say the same thing about the President of her country of origin without reprisal, it really grates me. You don't have to like his policies, his views or even him as a man, (notice I said man) but to call him an animal is outlandish.
@ Redhead52 - How is that you can call people politically correct dictators when Elsa called our President an "animal'? That was not in any way, shape or form a political statement! It was a personal insult from a woman who, by the way is an "foreigner from Cuba', has the audacity to sit in a "free" country where she was allowed into. Don't be naive to think that comment was not motivated by his race either!
This too, also is AMERICA...guess who allows her to be here in the first place...our President and elected officials. If that woman is a reflection on how Cubans view some Americans, they can all go back to Cuba . Just sayin'.
@Ladymad I was born and raised in Miami. This is the precise reason why I don't watch this show. It aggrevates my PTSD. Cubans, especially the older ones, are some of the most racist people I've ever encountered. They are incredibly entitled and willfully refuse to assimilate. They complain all the time about the lack of freedom in Cuba, but if a prominent figure dares to say something even remotely complimentary about Castro here they attempt to destroy his/her life. Its freedom only on their terms.When Nelson Mandela visited Miami in 1990, they protested and the mayors refused to extend an official welcome because he wouldnt denounce castro. It was disgusting! They are incredibly hypocritical and a slew of other things I won't repeat here. There are many people in Miami who hope that when Raul Castro dies, they will get back on their boats and go home. However, this seems highly unlikely.
To all of you politically correct dictators, Elsa or anyone else for that matter can choose to voice their political, religious etc. opinions as they see fit. They can do so in any public forum and as cutting edge as they choose. This is one reason Elsa and others chose to exit their native countries. NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH! I don't care who is in office or what their rank. If they are not in favor of homosexual lifestyles, that TOO is their right. And btw not to just think it or whisper in private quarters, but to publically state their perspective where and to whom they choose. If you don't agree, you too are allowed to verbally say so. That is AMERICA.
redhead: I think what put the burr in their bonnets was the fact that a "foreigner" makes such an ugly comment about our president on TV. It is like being invited to come into someone's home and then making nasty remarks about it. You are correct....this is America. We have freedome of speech. We also have to right to feel irritated when someone from the outside says such a thing about our legally elected president. We all get a vote here.
shameful for your mother (immigrant from cuba) to call obama an animal. you both should show more respect for our country and the office of the presidency.
givemebreak I think many were dumfounded and disgusted by that remark- here were two old women who live here in wealth and freedom- can't go back to their own countries...Yet they are.at the ready to insult us and then grab what they can at the expense of others...they made it clear they do not care.
They know nothing about the heartbeat of American culture.. The women owe Americans an apology..This isn''t Coral Gables in 1963, Ladies.. We are diverse and sophisticated now... sorry.
Many many are talking about that comment today and are off the old Elsa for good because of it.
Let me start by saying you and your mom are my favorites ! Ana has been very loyal to you, few are and you don't seem to appreciate it ! you did leave to accompany her outside but your mom stayed inside, you never said lets go mom, so you were planning on going back in after Ana left except your mom got insulted so you had to leave too correct? Everyone there should of left when that sick man insulted Elsa !
Marysol, I really like the relationship you have with your Mother, it shows that me and my gals that watch the show, don't need to see friends and family bicker and have mean spirited drama to be entertained. Your Mother is very humorous and you respect and appreciate how delightful she is. When you and your Mother are interacting on the show, it is my favorite part.,,,,,,,,,, On another note, every time I have witnessed that big brute of a lady Thomas, accost you and accuse you of telling others not to hire him, I want to say, "Marysol, tell him yes, I did, you haven't given me any reason TO recommend you, in fact you are such a drama queen, I don't see how it could be a positive thing hiring you!" Then run to the court house and get a restraining order. Also, who thought he would be interesting television??? Thomas' antics on RHOM are so annoying, and not the least bit interesting or entertaining!
You said before that TK was like a brother to you. If so, you should confront him about how he yelled at your mom. While your at it, grow a pair & shut Elaine down!
Marysol, I've always liked you..you're a sweet and gentle lady. I was seriously disgusted by the behavior of James/Elaine and his in-your-face bullying behavior. He towers over you in a frightening way and his overbearing, hateful behavior is upsetting to even see. I would not have engaged him in a conversation in that setting either. Honestly, I would not give him the time of day.
The dinner at that horrible man's house was just awful. I commend Anna for speaking her mind in a civil tone and for walking out. I also commend you for leaving, and I am relieved to read that you have not spoken to him since. I'm so sorry your Mom was put through that. I think many of us understand that you are a non confrontational person...I get that. Anna and you have two different personality types and I think you both appreciate that about each other.
Happy Thanksgiving to both you and your Mama -Elsa!
Marysol, Keep Ana close, she is a good friend and a rare one, she wont betray you, she doesnt care who or what you are, rather how you treat her that counts. Those kind of friends are so very rare. She defends you because she cares, she knows you are soft spoken and she comes to your aid. You offer something different to the friendship and she sees that as well. You are good through and through. hugs. Wen
Marysol, I love you and your mother as well. I am so sick and tire of seeing this drag nightmaire Elaine making drama for airtime. He/She is not entertaining or interesting in the least. I for one don't see what is so special about "drag" and it is ridiculous someone can make a living like this.
Anywho, I don't believe Elaine for a second I think Lea is putting him/her up to this for her own nefarious purposes. She has been harping about this all season. It is classless, she needs to get over herself. I no longer like her at all.
Keep it classy !!!!
If you're going around bashing someone's professional reputation and it gets back to them, man or woman, you better believe there's going to be a not-so-nice-confrontation between you and that person. If you don't like fire, then don't start one.
I'm not defending TK behavior but is funny how do you say "he had a vulgar behavior" I'm sure is not the first time that you see how rude and " mal educado" he is or was with other people . You and your mother know him for 18 year, you consider him your "stepbrother" so now that he when after you suddenly he is vulgar.
Good for you for walking out and supporting Ana. Marysol, I don't see why you need to defend yourself with anything. I can't stand that people are not MAN (or in ELAINE'S circumstance pretend WOMAN) enough to approach you in a non-confrontational manner. I think that people would do better to possible invite you to tea or lunch... This public display of verbal bashing is getting old.
Like Alexia inviting the girls over for lunch to hash out their problem with Karent? Look how that turned out.
This episode was very revealing because it truly showed who has guts and class and who doesn't. Ana, of course, gets the highest accolade for speaking up to that pig Thomas Kramer. Your leaving the dinner party in solidarity with Ana was good, Marysol, but it really wasn't enough. Just like it wasn't good that you let Elaine/James browbeat you and literally chase you all over the event while you ran away like a scared infant. When you are cornered the way he cornered you, you really had no choice but to strike back. The fact that you did not put you in a very bad light. Learn from this and stand up for yourself or people wil walk all over you.
avalis Marysol understands that fighting with James would put her in that "bad light". We all think this big guy is the bully who chased her around. The fact that she ran away from him and tried to difuse the situation makes her the better person. Plus, this dude is a freakin' train wreck. Who knows what he's capable of. I wouldn't go nose to nose with this giant guy in an enormous wig either. Elsa handled herself just fine. Marysol not going back in there and punchingTK in the nose speaks volumes about class. Plus this guy is such a loose cannon, he'd probably try to sue her. Marysol works in PR and Event Planning. She knows it would hurt her reputation to be viewed as unstable and unprofessional like these two LOSERS have shown themseles to be. You are so right about Ana. She rocks.
LET'S ALL REMEMBER WHERE WE ALL SAW HIM FIRST--ON RHOA, HE IS KIM'S FRIEND. I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW DISGUSTING HE SPOKE TO ELSA, ANA AND JOANNA (SAYING THAT SHE HAS HER PERIOD). MARYSOL, YOU HAVE TO START STICKING UP FOR YOURSELF. DON'T ACT LIKE A WIMP, IF THIS "JAMES, ELAINE" WHATEVER NAME HE IS USING BULLIES YOU, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL! AND I HOPE WHATEVER FRIENDSHIP YOU AND YOUR MOM HAD WITH THOMAS IS NO LONGER THERE. I KNOW THAT IF ANYBODY SPOKE TO MY MOTHER (RIP) THE WAY HE DID TO YOURS, I WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY GIVEN HIM A PIECE OF MY MIND! I'M TELLING YOU SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY THEY CAN TREAT ANYBODY THE WAY THEY WANT TO BUT FOR ME, NOBODY IS BETTER THAN ME. WE ARE ALL THE SAME, WE ALL BLEED THE SAME BLOOD--JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS MORE MONEY DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN TREAT EVERYONE ELSE LIKE GARBAGE (FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD).
I can be quiet and reserved also and I get that you are not confrontational. At the same time, it is important to stand up for yourself. Elaine picked the wrong place and time to confront you because really it made him/her look like a bully. It was very uncomfortable to watch. He towered over you. Maybe there was some miscommunication and he/she was not going to hear anything while yelling.
What I don't understand is how you say you have witnessed this Kramer guy behave so rudely to "countless" people. So it is not ok for him to treat your mother like that but it is ok to treat countless of other people like that? Wrong is wrong. Yes when it is your mother, your blinders may come off but that does not excuse the fact that you thought it was just perfectly fine that he behaved like that towards others, someone else's loved one. You and your mother remained friends with him knowing what type of a person he is. For the most part, I enjoy your character, but I question several things.
i am glad to read that you understand how unacceptable thomas' behavior was toward your friend and your mother.
I don't understand that if you have witnessed this behavior over the last 18yrs at his dinner parties why you would continue to go. Every dinner party you attended gave your stamp of approval to his behavior.
I whole heartedly agree. If you knew Thomas Kramer's past you would be disgusted.
One good thing about this episode.....now the entire nation can see what a classless pig the ugly old man Kramer is. He must really be from a bad, classless family to be so absolutely lacking in manners and integrity. Send him a book on manners for Christmas, and wipe him off your list. Millions hate him now....just take a little happiness from that. And James....that huge bully of a man should be shunned by the whole cast. He wants camera time and fame, let's hope Bravo will deny these piggish bullies any more camera time. By the way, Lea is very jealous of you.
Goo mama elsaa if I were her I would of smacked the mierda out of thomas. Marysol I really really liked you Last season and I'm trying to like you this season but you have changed. Maybe it's because of the new cast mates but you need to stick up for yourself. You're still a sweetheart but bring more to the table and stop stirring the pot and backing away from the fire. I'm still rooting for you but you need to find your voice.
Your mom is a trooper, she stood there and faced Thomas. The man is disgusting and I will agree why would Bravo give him air time is beyond me. He was seen in Atlanta Housewives episode, why would karent take the time and co-host a dinner party is beyond me. The Elaine deal is something else, what has happened is very sensitive she feels that she was snubbed by your team, then she feels that you are hurting her means of support if you misunderstood your friends question then you needed to clarify it, because she ran and told Elaine immediately what you said. Regarding Ana, she has defended you and you stay quiet don't let others fight your battles. You had an issue with Lea confront it own up to your mistakes and try to make it better in future, Thomas disrespected your mom regardless of who he is I am sure that Bravo has successfully given him a different notoriety.....
ibis She did not speak up because she is non-confrontational..I know a few people like her..they do not like drama or confrontation..If she confronts people it will turn into a huge fight..why bother!
marysol, i understand how some people can see you as weak, but i am glad that you did not deal with ELAINE at the party. it's not the right place. elaine just wants his airtime and honestly, he just wants drama. i see that you invited elaine at your office on the next episode, so i hope finally, you'll defend yourself and prove the truth. thomas kramer is just full of himself and i feel disgusted by all those people especially adrianna and lea who stayed at the party. for what?
@FloGuy I happen to believe Marysol. She is so sweet and has a lot of class to bring this mess with Lea and Elaine/James on camera. Give it time, the truth will come out. She does not lie. Maybe others have lied about what happened. Lea could be the one keeping that drama going. She is so two faced!
@FloGuy Sorry, I forgot to ask how Marysol could bully this big tall man. She did not bully him and he should never yell or bully a women. Remember he has a penis, Marysol does not. No difference with the way he acted towards Marysol and the way Thomas acted towards the women at his dinner!
LMAO Agree! I loved the look on Marysol's face when that James character said she was bullying him. How could she ever bully him, he's like 8 feet tall. Are you kidding me? He was yelling and chasing her down, that's a bully!
Oh an these ladies put this dirt bag on a pedestal. Like seriously if you have known him for so long then you know he's scum
This episode was crazy!! I was absolutely disgusted at the way Tomas yelled at your mom!! He's one of those wealthy men who thinks he can put anyone down cause they have money.. Wow sounds like my biological dad lol But who does that especially to an older women. He puts women down I'm glad Ana stop up to him! Why did everyone else say quiet like seriously why kiss ass?? Who cares how wealthy he is at the red of day. Money does not buy class. Bravo, no more Tomas!!!!
First of my all my Dear Marysol, failing is holding on to something that is negative for fear of fear itself. Doing the right thing in the face of fear is succeeding. A failed marriage is a painful path to be on, but you can overcome it. The utter lightness of being from letting go is empowering. I wish this for you. So many remarks that you don’t fight for yourself leave me a bit perplexed. Ana, your close friend, thinks it’s time for you to defend yourself. How about a smack down at Lisa’s house. She seems to be accustomed to this ; ) Set the B!@#h’s straight, No? BTW I love your Mama Elsa. Your both great ladies and I look forward to seeing what is behind that cool domineer that so many perceive as a lack of a spine.
Wait! Mar Y Sol..... What happen to your brazen, in your face attitude that you had when you told Karent "This is not a conversaton"? I though you were so big and bad at that time, but how does it feel to be chased around not being able to explain yourself? Doesnt feel good huh? Granted that was a big ol dressed up man that was chasing you around Lol, but where were your bully bregade friends when you needed them?
Milica Would you have a confrontation at a dinner party? I'm glad she moved away from him..People have no calls..You battles should be between the two of them..not when all the women are present..
Thomas Kramer is a disgusting misogynist. I so respect Ana for saying something, and for getting up and leaving because she actually has principles. And for Karent to say she was embarrassed because Thomas had been so nice to throw a lovely dinner party for the ladies was disgusting. Karent and Thomas should get married. They are both vulgar, phony misogynists. I can't stand the site of either one of them. And what did Lea have to defend Thomas for? He acted atrociously, and I was sickened by everyone who stayed in that house. Shame on you who stayed. All that pervert did was make lewd remarks and double entendres all evening. What a host! What a pig!!! I love Ana. She, Alexia, Elsa, and Marysol are my favorites because they seem to have some intelligence and class. The rest of the women seem vapid. If I see Elaine one more time I will have to stop watching the show. Her/his disrespect towards Marysol is appalling. Joanna is a drunk who abuses emotionally those she is around when drinking and when not drinking. Karent is a social climber phony who would do anything to be famous. Lisa is sad. She doesn't seem like she had any identity beyond that of Lenny's wife and a woman who can't get pregnant. Lenny is not a good-looking man, and he doesn't seem all that kind or intelligent to me. So, I really don't see him as a great catch. He looks almost like Lisa's father. Yuck. Ana, Alexia, Elsa, and Marysol are the only ones who have any class. I don't think the others have any kind of boundaries. I would hate to live their lives. Especially the angry Joanna and the phony Karent. Both make me ill.
I can't help but ask how could some of you who have known this idiot for so many years, seen him mistreat others so badly but find that it was ok as long as he did not target you.
didn't you know that his wrath will hit you sooner or later. No one should have put up with his foolishness at all especially for years. He's a bully.
if being spineless means handling yourself with class and dignity sign me up! You are a much needed breathe of fresh air with this franchise, gets too dark a lot of the time.
That dinner was so painful to watch. And it was really sad watching all the ladies (who said they have known Thomas a long time) just sit there and not say anything while he went on a rant. I guess he got what he wanted - his 15 minutes of fame. And especially Karent, who was the co-host, to not say anything in defense of her guests, was just pathetic! Bravo, please do not give him anymore air time!! And as for Elaine/James, he is just as hungry for the spotlight as Karent!! He does nothing for the show; he had his 15 minutes of fame, so can we please be done with him?!!!!
elicat I completely agree!
Also, I was ashamed of the HWs and especially their spineless husbands. No real man/gentleman would idly sit by and watch an older woman be screamed at like that. Shameful! I've lost all respect.
cupoftea Hi Marysol--Very accurate blog title...Thomas Cramer is certainly the antithesis of a good dinner host. If you left that dinner unscathed it was a miracle...you either pole danced on his dinner table or laughed at his vulgar jokes. This guy needed more strokes than I take in my golf game! It's good you missed the way he spoke to your mom because I know even a soft spoken person like yourself might have regretted her actions. It was hurtful to listen to him admonish your mother who so many of us have grown to love and respect. I will admit I was very much appalled that "not one dinner attendee" came to her aid. Thank goodness you now have nothing to do with that ingrate. Thank you for explaining the text message fiasco regarding you and Lisa Pliner and the consequences it had on Elaine/James. Hopefully that misunderstanding has been put to rest. I guess the old adage of no good deed goes unpunished is appropriate here. Though, after watching you get chased around and hassled during the event, I don't think Elaine's business acumen was shown in a good light.
This Thomas character is the same guy that the Housewives of Atlanta stayed with when Kim went to Miami to sing and Cynthia modeled. He was gross with those women too! Nene thought his house was something out of a horror museum. Can you imagine what has gone on in that house? I wouldn't step a toe in there.