I am glad they took time on the california trip to celebrate your birthday. I love watching the dynamics of your family structure. you have a strong soul and your husband and your kids are very loving and unified. I admire you so much.
Over the next couple of episodes you'll watch as we try to navigate our way through the camping experience and ultimately end up in wine country. It was a vacation to remember on many different levels. Trust me, you don’t want to miss it.
Thanks for watching, see you all next week!
I am glad they took time on the california trip to celebrate your birthday. I love watching the dynamics of your family structure. you have a strong soul and your husband and your kids are very loving and unified. I admire you so much.
Caroline, you are entitled to your opinion, please allow everyone else on the show to be entitled to their own. I'm getting sick to death of you swaying everyone's opinion on EVERYONE else! I guess you got the opportunity to put your "stamp of approval" on Kathy tonight too! Yesh! Your matyr act is getting old and you're fixing to have to sleep in that bed you made. Good luck!
WOW it was interesting to see you "literally" coming out of your seat when Teresa and Jacqueline were off by themselves talking. Guess you couldn't "control their conversation and the show"- let alone intimidate Jacqueline. The last thing you want in the world is for them to continue to be friends. Even when Jacqueline was discussing about talking with Teresa you had to put the knife in and try to convince her not to. Nice going with your daughter. You do favor your sons over her and we all see it - wonder why you don't. You allow them to continuously demean and bully her - but, then again, "like Mother, like sons." Looks like your losing control of all your puppets on the show - too bad - hopefully Bravo will remove you with all your negativity, nastiness and bullying from the show. I really believe that your despicable behavior has to be impacting your husband's business at the Brownstone. A few friends and I were actually planning on going to The Brownstone when you first came on the show - you know the time when you were "acting like a normal caring human being" (not your true self for sure). We have, however, changed our minds as we don't want to take a chance or waste our time running into you.
I love that you have never changed. You always keep people accountable for their actions. From season 1 when everyone admired and respected you when you stood up to Danielle for your Family and Teresa. You know what you believe in, and you stand up for it.
Okay.......not out your mouth, Caroline.....but here in Northern California, we are not hillbilly's.
Northern California has so much beautiful coastline and incredible valleys and wonderful towns to visit. Cassini Campgrounds is a nice "get away from it all" camp ground. My cousin is a K-9 officer in a metropolitan city, and enjoys camping with his family at Cassini to relax and get away from it all.
IF IT WERE ME, I'd travel with you and Albert. I hope you enjoyed some semblance of Northern California and that you had a bit of a good time.
Much like you, I don't do "crazy" well.
Wishing you and your family all the best.
Northern California Born and Bred.......(not inbred.) ; )
Caroline, I know you love all your children, but I have stated that you have always showed favoritism with your boys. Lauren stated this very clearly. I think you should listen and stop excusing it with her brothers. Albie and Chris both show disrespect to Lauren and you turn a blind eye and laugh. Lauren doesn't always be the butt of the joke. Albie also made a comment about you and your siblings. I think you need to work on yourself, before you lose your sons. Albie seems like he will move on with his life and make his own decisions. I think Christopher is still young and want to have fun, I think that he will continue to be a mama's boy for a while longer. I have stated I was disappointed in how they disrespected Teresa. I know that had a lot to do with you. I was also a bit disappointed in your husband comment about Teresa's husband Joe.
and Oh-Em-Gee ... don't post on a board and then tell people to get a life....do you know how stupid that makes you look? Get off the board.....and YOU get a life. You don't know about anyone's life...yet you are on here.... typical hypocrite....
Get ready for your happy dance Caroline. I am sure you couldn't be more excited that Teresa will be hurt by her husband tonight. Because that is just the kind of person you are!
I have always thought that Caroline had a hold on certain family members and how they behaved. She never had a problem with Teresa until the book. It still looks to me that if Caroline is mad at you, everyone has to be mad at you. She is a master manipulator. Jac was brave to stand up to Dina when it came to Danielle (even though I was not to sure about that one, I think she was treated unfairly). This time I believe Jac buckled under a united front consisting of her hubby and his sister... That confrontation on the deck was contrived. I think Caroline has been doing alot behind the scenes....
I used to watch this show religiously but I literally cannot stomach it now. Kathy & Melissa & their families would've done anything to get on that show. Caroline, please, you are not only pathetic but you have no integrity. Stop acting like you're better than everyone else; you're embarrassing yourself.
I can tell you have had it with this whole escapade. You don't have to explain yourself. Just go back to your normal and regular life.
thanks Caroline. I do enjoy blogging with the ladies and I really enjoyed the laughter this week. I can't take all the negative you usually call the truth though.
For years I have enjoyed you and everyone on the show. Danielle not so much. Teresa, very much.
I think you gave up on Teresa all too soon but that is OK (I think she has a tougher road ahead than we know) . It would have been nice for the show and for Teresa that you would have been in her corner. I guess no one makes mistakes and you are one and done. Get it.
It would be nice if you didn't influence your entire family against someone & even nicer if you could admit it.
I still like you& I get that you could give a sh-- either way.
Only wrote this to post my opinion and what I see
If I had any influence on the outcome I would wish for forgiveness and more fun.
I don't want Teresa to leave the show if that is your goal. She needs friends right now & that is what you portrayed yourself to be or so the fans believed and you say you are never fake.
OMG Most of you who post seriously need to get a hobby. It's a reality show, get it over it. Put that same passion into something more positive.
Actually, you are right, I deserve that criticism in this case. I saw that said by several of Teresa's followers quite a while back, with the original stating it came from Dina, and I should have treated it with the value it had, basically none, as many of the comments that quote other sources.
If you have actually read my posts you do have to acknowledge (if you are fair) that I don't operate under gossip and am careful to differentiate opinion from fact and disregard those statements even if they support what I think. That is my main complaint here with the postings I see; so unfair and illogical.
Rather than responding to the several replies you sent me, I will respond to all in one:
I, and others, are not "ignoring the storyline". The story line that I have seen for the past two years is that Teresa had presented her self as a woman who valued family above all, and what has happened is that her hypocrisy has been revealed and is a bully herself who is getting a taste of her own medicine (as is Caroline in the bullying fans are doing of her). There has been a storyline of this show from day one, beginning with Danielle, whose basic crime to begin with was that she said something about Dina (and tried to mend that situation) and that she had a past that she wanted to forget. The others could have chosen to not associate if they found that unacceptable, but to use it to smear her was horrendous. Teresa jumped on board with that, though, didn't she? If you remember in season one, she was a friend of Danielle's also, spending time with her and that creepy guy Steve, to the point that Danielle was having sex in Teresa's house while Teresa's kids were there (which she obviously had no problem with when it happened, or she would have stopped it from happening and didn't and continued to be cordial with Danielle after; she only had a problem later when she jumped on the bully band and jumped her at the dinner). When her family joined the show, she thought the bully team would be in place for her as well; unfortunately for her, when Caroline and Jac were able to see interactions and people first-hand rather than Teresa's twisted version, they realized that the person at fault for the family issues was Teresa. Then things escalated as issues between Jac and Teresa surfaced; at this point the inception would be speculation on my part; I guess we will have to wait and see.
I don't insult other posters; in fact, I get many rude replies, and I generally consider the source and ignore them. I believe the person you were referring to sent me several responses in an attempt to offend me, so I responded, giving her the attention she so obviously craved. If you are referring to statements I have made regarding the fact that I bypass some commenters because I am sure that the writing is going to be illogical, made up, and in some cases illiterate, I was not trying to insult anyone. Had that been my intent, I would have listed their user names.
I do have a question out there that no one seems to want to touch, that I really had not thought of until one of Teresa's followers commented on something that triggered it. Maybe you have a response:
In four years of filming, never have we seen anything that would indicate that Teresa has a relationship with her other sisters' in law, or any other family outside of her parents and parents in law. I have seen Caroline interact with siblings not on the show (lunch with her sisters, brothers visiting, relatives at holiday), I have seen Jac interact with her inlaws not on the show (I believe her only sibling lives out of state), but never do we see any relationship that Teresa has (I believe I saw Joe's sister when they were doing the Christening or house warming party, like we saw Joe Gorga and Melissa, and we know what kind of relationship that was). Why when Teresa's parents were out of town for Thanksgiving did Teresa have to spend it with the Manzos? Why were the Guidice sister in laws not an option? I would love to hear from them what it is like to be in a family with Teresa. Not that I think it would change the opinion of Teresa's fans; they would just consider them bullies as well.
Now you are trying not to say anything negatively in these posts.....but we ALL have your number now.......leave with the REST of your clan and poor T's clan toooo.....!
Do you know why I feel bad for you? I think you knew from the start what Teresa was but were so motivated by family loyalty to Dina and wanting to get Danielle off of the show, you kept your mouth shut and pretended so that you could use her to achieve that goal. Now you are learning a painful lesson; you should have been upfront to begin with.
Do you know why I feel worse for Jacqueline: I think she was truly fooled at first.
While some of you are holding up Dina as some kind of proof that Caroline is the bad guy you might ask yourself this:
1. It has been said that Dina and her brother are very close, yet the fact that Caroline was going to the wedding was enough to keep Dina away. Pretty selfish of Dina, no wonder she and Teresa can maintain their shallow relationship. They both see the world in terms of themselves first.
2. This brother who is so close to Dina is obviously supporting Caroline, as he not only invited her but asked her to speak at the wedding.
Oh My God y'all, I'm frustrated!! NUTSHELL FOLKS:
Caroline landed a reality show using the old Italian "thick as thieves" "Call em as I see em" and 'I'll KILL for my KIDS with my bare hands." Wow. We all bought into it because she was the one not obsessed with her looks, and was the Mom we all wanted bad growing up. She had a really cool house that had boatloads of money and laughs. Oh the coveting we all had of that home. The show took off and so did she. Glorious. Once some nonsense started, Caroline cut right through the bull and we ate it up. She was God. Caroline relished this power we had given her and found her personality niche on the show. The bullsh*t cutter. She received blog after blog of how she was the truth teller, cut right to the chase, called em as she see em. She got off on this WITH us. Her family spawned the princes and we bought into the whole children of privilege. And she and Albert EARNED it don't ya know. The nation was ready to take on The National Lawyer's Association because Albie couldn't get in. The boys were even featured on Million Dollar Matchmaker and dating celebrities. The Manzos were the "it" family and the other ladies just "happened" around them. Enter Danielle as the villain. With Danielle, Caroline was able to flex her muscles seeing how far she could go with us when she set out to slaughter someone under the guise of protecting her thieves. We went right with her. Monster created!..Bethenny hit, everyone wanted their thing, and Caroline tried the talk show gig. At the same time she tried to release a cookbook like Teresa and no one was interested. No worries, she had her newfound Dr. Laura career. Problem is, she wasn't that good. It failed. The only scene I saw Caroline be "real" in the entire season is when Melissa walked down that fashion show runway like it was the first time Melissa had EXHALED since Teresa got this show, and Caroline said Teresa may have been there in person, but not in heart and it hurt to see her sad. This was the last we were to see of the real Caroline. And Caroline was right about Teresa being sensing forebodin-we actually saw that evening Teresa realizing the "devil" had entered her life. But Caroline was soon to go off with the devil when her desperation sunk in. Meanwhile, Teresa has gone through a public hell but has released her second cookbook- another NYTimes bestseller and about to release her third. The Manzo family who was suppose to own this show had their boys try a spin off. They taped webisodes and no one bit. Couldn't give em away online. Another flop for the "thick as thieves." Caroline still wanted her family to be the number one family on the show because that was theirs, but everything was falling apart. Caroline judged and ripped Ashlee apart for not doing anything on her own because she could and she thought it was expected, yet Albie can't get into law school, and Lauren sure isn't going off on her own and making a name for herself. She's using Mommy and Daddy's money. Ashlee gets banished and Lauren is awarded cosmetic surgery and her own business/store because she fell into a depression the day after her store opened and no one showed up. But not before Lauren uses two show scenes and two talking heads to tell us how useless Ashlee is. Bye Ashlee, she left being mocked for being beneath them. Why Jaq let this happen I will never know. The Manzo kids are going nowhere fast and their spin off gets a definite "no." Their show failing is way more of a let down than they let on. Caroline thought this was it for her boys, meanwhile, there's talk of Teresa getting her own show and Bravo can't keep up with the demand of the public interest in The Guidice girls and Teresa's image is demanded on every magazine now which her fans are buying as fast as her books. The rumor is (from the same people that told us Melissa had contacted Danielle) Caroline and Jac wanted Teresa to invest in BLK. Teresa said no. She said she did not have the money, just like she told Joe Gorga when they were discussing buying a house for her parents. And she also didn't like the idea of dark water. So that's why Jacqueline and Caroline say they heard Teresa is spreading rumors around town (badmouthing BLK) and they begin QUESTIONING her finances, Teresa said she couldn't invest in BLK and here's the "closet" and "garage." All Caroline has left is her "tell it like it is" persona and it's worked up to now. But now she wants to bully us all into that Teresa should be slaughtered because Teresa and her family are succeeding everywhere where hers are failing miserably and the stakes are high for The Manzos. Whoever makes the most money wins in hearts and minds in that family. The reunion was filmed after the completion of this year. Caroline set us up. I'm convinced that there was either not room in Caroline's mind for two families to be at the top on the show's success ladder, and/or IF The Manzos weren't going to have it, certainly TERESA and her family sure as heck couldn't have it. Teresa had what all of them wanted, each in their own way. Caroline can't understand why we don't embrace her family, the problem is how can we when we watched her try and actually destroy Teresa and HER family on this show. All of the Manzos did so there's no sympathy anywhere. She wouldn't give up setting up Teresa because it worked with Danielle, and Caroline thought because she told us vehemently to hate Teresa, that we just would. Her mistakes were trying to pass the hate onto the Dina issue which Dina has countered for the Fifth time this week on WWHL, and the contrived scenes and ambush at the reunion last year. Melissa really hit the jackpot because Caroline is carrying out Melissa's work. Make no mistake, The Manzos fall is the fact that Melissa laid out this remove Teresa plan to clear the playing field. A field they all want so desperately, they've sold their sold before our very eyes. That's what I see and know, and I await "coloitalinas" and "macamombmommys"s rebuttal.
Who made you the board police?? That's why this board is here, agreeing to disagreeing or vise versa.
"Why when Teresa's parents were out of town for Thanksgiving did Teresa have to spend it with the Manzos?"
Why do you keep asking the same question? Did you not get a chance to read my last answer to you? I think you did but you just want to keep putting this idea of yours out there hoping it will stick.
I'll repeat the exact answer I gave you the last time you brought this up.
Teresa had 3 Thanksgivings. Three.
Just because she filmed with the Manzo clan, does not mean that is all she has. I know you know this.
@coloitalian Good post...and so very true!
@coloitalian Why would anyone know the answer to that question other than Teresa or her family? Coming from anyone else would just be hearsay and speculation.
We have seen interaction with Teresa & her in-laws! While I don't condone Teresa's behavior towards Danielle, she did not jump on Caroline's "hate Danielle band wagon" until she witnessed things herself & then she thought she was helping her friends (Caroline & Jac). As for Caroline & Jac - they had reason to jump with Melissa & Kathy & that has been explained many, many times. What WE are waiting for is, OTHER than the Danielle thing,....WHATSPECIFICALLY has Teresa done to these women???? What???
@coloitalian Nobody cares about your silly pontificating. Stop tsaking up so much space on these forums.
I would imagine that her sisters-in-law have their own in laws and maybe that is where they spent Thanksgiving. It is also possible that Joe's sisters have no interest in being on the show and like their privacy. Yes, you have seen Caroline interact with her sisters, etc. on the show but, we all know (Caroline stated it herself) that there is conflict in her family. Why not be curious as to how Caroline's sisters-in-law/brothers-in-law like being in a family with her?
Teresa jumped Danielle at the dinner table because of the way she spoke to her. It was Caroline who paved the way for that incident. I am so sick and tired of hearing the word bully in reference to this show. That is all it is a show. Real bullying is happening in our society today and it is harming our young people. Comparing the reaction of posters to real bullying is like comparing apples and oranges. Posters on this blog are not bullying Caroline as you stated. They are simply making observations just as you and I do. The women on this show put their lives out there for everyone to see and they must accept the fact that people are not always going to have a favorable opinion of them.
You stated you don't insult other posters. It is an insult when you say, "I generally consider the source and ignore them." and "I bypass some commenters because I am sure that the writing is going to be illogical, made up, and in some cases illiterate, I was not trying to insult anyone." I am not trying to insult you but when you put your opinion over someone else's that is wrong.
“Teresa's twisted version”, each cast member has their own twisted version of everything. Numerous times I have heard each of them repeat what someone has said about someone or tell what has happened in a certain situation and it always manages to come out different from the true version. Therefore, it is not just Teresa.
You have your opinions and speculations, other posters have theirs, and I certainly have mine and that is all they are opinions and speculations. This show has been edited and has been shown out of sequence numerous times so we really don’t know anything for sure about any of these women or what is happening in their lives. RHONJ is a reality show and you can't have a story line in reality shows. Reality just happens.
@coloitalian You just hit the nail on the head with this post!
@coloitalian Dina and Caroline's brother was surprisingly and genuinely kind to Joe and Teresa. Perhaps he felt sorry for them. He and his partner went out of their way to be kind to them. You cannot blame the fractures in the Manzo/Laurita clan on Teresa. As for Jac , poor thing, she stood by while Caroline made snarky comments about daughter Ashlee. I'm still not clear why Jac seem drawn to troubled people like Daniell Staub and Kim G. She also seems to escape any responsibility for introducing these kind of low rent users into the sacred Manzo circle.
How can you presume to know Din'as intentionsand that they are not close or the reason she wasn't there is because of Caroline. She has already stated for the media that her brother's wedding was last minute and she was already obligated to a wedding the same weekend.
You are soo quick to critisize others for making unsubstantiated statements (gossip) but yet you do the same thing.
@coloitalian Ok, to give clarity on both of your points. I have heard the reason as to why their is a feud to begin with. And Teresa's comments during the reunion regarding it make sense with the info ("you stabbed her in the back"...does anyone else remember Teresa telling Caroline that?).
According to what I read (thanks to other sites that do tons of investigative work), Dina was all set to do the wedding of her brother, whom she not only does work with but adores on *her* show. Things are going full steam ahead with that, and then behind the scenes Caroline is wooing her brother to do the show on RHONJ, saying it will give him more exposure both on the gay marriage point, and also because he is trying to get a cooking show of his own. So her brother says "ok".
Now, I don't know about you, but if someone did that to me I would not be able to be around them right away. I mean Dina needed the wedding more on her show, since she is still trying to get it established. But here a sister who is supposed to be like a mom to me (remember Caroline said that in season 1) is going to torpedo something that might negatively impact my new show/livelihood? Uh...sorry. I don't think I would want to be around them too much right away. I wouldn't wish bad things on them, I would forgive but not forget really quick like. :p
And as to why she was chosen to speak? She was the only sibling other then Chris to attend the wedding (his mother attended as well, but they were the only two siblings). I don't think he really had too much of a choice there. :p
So given these juicy tidbits of information, how can you honestly say that Dina is the shallow/selfish one in that relationship? :p I don't think anyone who views things in a logical manner can draw that conclusion. :p
Actually, Dina said on WWHL she said that she would have gone to the wedding, but production had already started on her show and she could not leave. If I remember correctly the wedding was planned somewhat at the very last moment and a lot of caroline's brothers and sister could not make it.
Actually, Dina said on WWHL that she would have gone, but she could not due to production had started on her show.
@FanViewerNJ Excellent narration and explanation of the Manzo Family...your post totally made sense and really outlined the cause and effects in the show regarding the Caroline and Teresa..Well written.
@FanViewerNJ Perfect summary of the show and of Caroline's motives.
I love this, you have said what I think.The look on Teresa's face is often confusion. She was trully baffled by the animosity coming at her. If you remember the reunion show took place after filming of this season and as things unfold it is clear why Teresa is bitter towards Caroline and is warning Melissa to be wary of her new found friends in the Manzos.
Excellent observations. Just excellent. My goodness, what will the next reunion be like????? I wonder who won't show this time????? I have a feeling Caroline will be the one to duck and run this time.
GREAT blog! I totally agree and well written!!!
That's no nutshell...thats a novel!
But a good novel. I agree whole-heartedly.
"I await 'coloitalina's' and 'macamombmommy's' rebuttal"...LOL. Keep your head down. Great comment and spot on!
You nailed it, hook line and sinker!!!! Caroline will never admit to any of that, of course, But that is the truth.
@FanViewerNJ Perfect! You got it.
Do we know these people personally – off camera, or are the opinions based on this edited show? Let’s try to understand they don’t have BRAVO TV crews and cameras 24 hours a day. We get glimpses of their life . When the cameras start rolling, their hair, make up and attire are in place………..lights – camera –action. Let’s also not forget the “talking heads” interview segments on the show when each of them make their personal comments. There is a camera set up and a person interviewing them, sometimes provoking them for a statement. They cut and edit what they choose for ratings, and to create emotional alliances.
That is REALITY.
@FanViewerNJ Absolutely couldn't agree more. Well said.
@FanViewerNJ Thats my understanding of this series so far. I used to be a big Manzo fan, but definately not anymore!
@FanViewerNJ Awesome blog & great insight. Thank You!
Super agree!!!! I wonder how they feel about the fact that Teresa has her own cruise too! I bet they're all gonna cry "but Teresa didn't even us on the cruise"....
How can you rebut a fictional account to justify an opinion with a sprinkling of facts that while true still do not support the conclusions drawn? While I do think you are right about viewers pumping Caroline's ego the first few seasons when they should have been critical about the way she and the others, accept Jac, went after Danielle with no reason. The funniest thing is that you are doing the same thing with Teresa; twisting and turning and reinforcing all of her negativity; a monster is born once again.
The problem with most of what you say is that it assumes motivations about people you don't know. Here is a question for you: Teresa's husband opened a pizzaria in their community and used Teresa as a marketing tool, with her book signings being held there, the Teresa's special etc. The community, made up of people who actually do know Teresa did not support it and it failed. Why don't the people who know her want to support her and her family like the fans do that buy her cookbook in droves?
That was absolutely spot on!
I did not blame Caroline's brother; what I said was that he was the one Dina should be the most angry with IF that story is true, as he is the one that backed out of the agreement they had.
I also did not blame Teresa for the fight between Dina and Caroline, and I don't know what I said that you could have been interpreted that way, but to be clear, I don't know what the issue is, anymore than anyone else here does. I am not sure why you felt that Jamie was "surprisingly kind" to Joe and Teresa; I did not see his behavior as feeling sorry for them; I thought he and Teresa were friends and he treated her as such.
I think people read too much into Caroline's calling Ashlee an "ass". If you notice when her daughter said something that Caroline thought was either unjustified or dumb, she told her "such an ass". No maliciousness intended in either situation, in my opinion. In Ashlee's case, it was more a statement of when she got older she was going to feel stupid for tatooing the name of a bar that she parties at on her body. Haven't we all said similar things about teens and young adults when they make foolish choices? I remember telling my niece when she pierced her belly button that she was going to kick herself when she got pregnant with her first child and it looked like a portal to another dimension. She knew it was not meant unkindly and laughed. My mother, who was the kindest woman I ever knew (so much so that her funeral looked like one of a prominent person, and she was not. She just was equally as kind to the kid who packed her groceries as she was to her closest friends) used to laugh and say "you boob" whe we did something dumb. No offense was ever taken; we knew she loved us immensley and was not being unkind.
Now it's about who "stole" the gay brother's wedding? If, in fact, Dina or Caroline were wooing Jamie to promote his wedding, how sad & dysfuncational is that family? Timeline: Dina had the first show when she was featured marrying the other Manzo brother. Dina was friends with Teresa & I imagine when Bravo was looking for a RHNJ they looked at Dina first & she brought Teresa & Caroline. Things turned ugly with Danielle & Dina stepped down. Dina gets a gig on some other channel, so definitely can understand why she would want to promote Jamie's wedding. Whose decision it was for Bravo to broadcast it is anybody's guess, but sorry Caroline needed something, anything to make her look like a compassionate human being. Dina is gone from the picture, Danielle is gone from the picture & now it's time for Teresa. And who is the common thread?
First, obviously, I was operating on some bad information on this site, as I thought that it was said Dina had said (more than once here) that it was it, so, my bad. As far as the explanation of why they are fighting, what is this source that you cite? There is a ton of BS on the internet, and before I gave it credence, I would want to know that.
I have to say that this explanation doesn't make sense to me, mostly given what I have seen of these people in terms of behavior patterns. This just does not sound like Caroline, who has demonstrated that she is always protecting and promoting Dina, even when it is not appropriate. Please don't misunderstand me; Caroline is not my favorite and never has been. I think she is opininated, overbearing, and frankly what she and Dina did with the book and Danielle sickened me. I also think she is kind of a bully in personality. The one thing I do admire about her is the way she is with her family, even though how she carries out that loyalty is in question in my mind. So, an unnamed internet source is not going to do it for me.
I also don't understand why Jamie would do that to Dina, if, in fact, they are as close as was purported. Don't know anything about him, really, so whether it is in his character or not, I cannot say. But if it is true, than I would have to think that Dina is not speaking to him as well, as he played a bigger role in the betrayal. He after all is the one who would have gone back on his agreement with Dina. Is that the case? If so, it is much more plausible that this is why she did not attend his wedding rather than the story I understand she is giving publicly that she couldn't because of her new show. The new show thing never made sense to me anyway, as they could have followed her on her trip to the wedding. Also, I don't know about you, but if it were my brother's wedding, I would have told them to come along or they would have to take a break for a day while I flew there and back.
If that is what happened, then yes, Caroline was wrong. However, as I value my brothers and sisters, I would not allow that to become a feud in which I refused to speak to them. Would I be angry, yes. Would I address it? yes But both Caroline and Teresa said that Dina was the one not talking to Caroline, and I think that is foolish. At the end of the day, if something happens to Caroline, Dina is going to regret that. And if Dina has no feelings of remorse about adding to the fire against her sister, as she has taken quite a beating from all of you, then that says alot about her as well.
Having said all of this, I have to say that my opinion is not very high of Dina in any event. This is due to the fact that in season one, she is truly the one who led the bully charge against Danielle. If you remember, she said Danielle said something bad about her, Danielle tried to apologize and reconcile, Dina went to her home and was rude, and then led the charge to destroy her. She was the one who had the biggest issue with Jac for remaining friends with her; while Caroline gets the blame, it was Dina who said it would affect her relationship with Jac; Caroline said she was worried that it would affect the relationship between Dina and Jac, not herself and Jac. Also, I cannot forget the scene in which Jac was defending Danielle and told Caroline that she knew Dina was a liar, that she knew what she was and said that Caroline had told her she should feel sorry for Dina because she had problems, and Caroline did not refute, she cut Jac off, telling her that she was hurting her (Carolines) parents by saying it publicly.
@coloitalian The fact that Caroline was able to turn Jac against Danielle, who was her friend, demonstrates the power Caroline has over Jac.
It is obvious that Caroline is frustrated that Teresa is mending fences and is trying to desperately keep the hate Teresa campaign alive.
The pizzaria, along with many of the other Giudice properties, was/were sold to pay some of the debts (Case No. 09-39032-MS). That hearing took place on July 15, 2010.
Giuseppe's Home-style Pizza is still open, just not owned by Joe and Tersera.
I'll take this one FanviewerNj, it's easy. It's a small town, the fans can't get there like they can with products.(duh), And Joe said he was never there becasue of the driver's license issue and he blew it. They've moved on to bigger fish!
@coloitalian Caroline often made comments maligning Ashlee and Jac's parenting as well. After watching the "get Danielle" drama I feel Ashlee was encouraged to be the dog in that particular game of sic 'em. Now Ashlee is bye bye, exit stage left and Lauren Manzo is front and center without any young female competition from Ashlee. Note to Albie's gf - watch your back Mama Manzo has an agenda that doesn't include you! As Caroline says read between the lines. I see two factions fighting for supremacy and camera time Manzos versus Gorga/Wakilie. Caro is attempting to establish her children in the business world and Melissa wants to Teresa opt out . Frankly I think Jac is naive and is just becoming aware that her own household is in deep financial waters and she is lashing out. Teresa is up to her eyeballs in keeping the wolf away from the door.
As for your explanation I agree to disagree. I have 14 nieces and nephews and I keep it positive in all things. They have parents and do not need my comments. My job as an Aunt is to be loving and supportive or shut it. Ashlee seemed to be going through a difficult time the last thing she needed was Aunt Caro sniping on the sideline, Which she did and quite frequently while praising her own superior parenting. I saw signs of Don Caro with the Danielle drama but the Ashlee fiasco confirmed it for me. The constant barrage of Teresa hate and the flow of superiority from Caro stunned me. I also think her children's constant verbiage and cutting remarks about Teresa and even Gia was beyond the pale. Not a good look.
and Jesus said "Bless those who would offend you" so I send you nothing but blessings, sincerely.
I don't know anything about the interview you are referring to, so I cannot respond except to say that it would not surprise me if Caroline was upset about Dina being filmed with Dina after she didn't want to, as I do think Caroline is a controlling person.
As far as Dina's treatment of Danielle, I think you have the sequence of events wrong. Initally, Dina was nasty to and about Danielle because of somethings Daniella said about her and then, supposedly, the issue of Danielle's past. What Danielle did in regard to having Dina's child away was done after that in retalliation (I am pretty confident if it was an issue before, it would have been brought up at the infamous book dinner). Dina forgave her for that (at least publically) and from what I saw in the next season, tried to be cordial with her, only calling a halt to that when Danielle wanted more than cordiality and was obviously going to be drama (that is one case in which I thought Dina's actions, both to forgive and to cut the tie was appropriate).
"Jac being friends with Danielle even if she hurt her family" is not a fair assessment of what the situation was, in my opinion. Jac was not willing to go along with her family in treating Danielle badly (and at that point unfairly) just because they didn't like her, just like she was not willing to do with Kim G; it was Teresa who displayed that behavior. That is why it blows my mind when some call Jac a Caroline puppet and a bully and defend Teresa; it is like they totally disregard the behaviors of both women in the past seasons and switch the behaviors from one to the other.
As far as the tweet with Danielle, I can understand why Jac had an issue with Teresa if they had an understanding that they would not engage with her in order to keep her and her negativity out of their lives (I am sure this was particularly important to Jac given that it was Teresa's and Ashley's actions that escalated the situation to a legal one for Jac to deal with), but I would agree that it would not be enough to end a friendship over. I don't think that was the only issue, though.
I have read about the underhanded business dealings of Caroline in various places as well and if true it most certainly is in my opinion Caroline's fault, although Jamie does play a role in the hurt and deception. Caroline knew of Dina's proposal and had the nerve to go behind her back to steal the deal.
I have also read an interview from some time ago with Albie and Christopher where they said their mother was not talking to Dina because she appeared on film with Danielle after Caroline had told her not to. They said they didn't see Dina much but was cordial if they did.
After Danielle's campaign to have Dina's daughter taken away from her, she had every right to fight back. Luckily for Dina her ex-husband was not going to give Danielle any credence.
Would you really tell your brand new bosses that you didn't care what they wanted, you were calling the shots? Would you have a job when you returned?
The part about Jacq being friends with Danielle even if it hurt family only proves every one's point about her hypocrisy. How dare she expect Teresa to not respond to Danielle's Tweets just because she doesn't like Danielle.
You always make excellent points on your posts, but what may seem logical and factual to some of us...well, to some others, it's like writing to a brick wall. Keep doing what you do.
Leave Juicy Joe alone. He is old school itialian.
You have just lost your mind. ONLY her friends in that town "know" her, Does your entire city "know you?" Be reasonable! I know people better that I see on a reality show once a week for four years, then I do people in my home town whom I've never spoken to, again, duh. Sorry, that was just dumb, AND NO, you are wrong again about no one showing, because Joe said the place was packed, lines around the block and he couldn't get there on time depedning on other drivers, and he couldn't get the products in, and that first week he said was a disaster, He said "once someone comes on their lunchbreak, and you can't get the pizza to them in time, they're never coming back." He admitted how horrible it was that it was packed and they had to leave without their pizzas. AND re the fans Teresa also said it opened when she was away on her book tour, that's why when she went wih Joe, after it closed, it was her first time there. She wasn't there for the fans to see her anyway....check mate....
Bless your sweet heart. It may be the economy, or the place may have been poorly run. Closing the pizza parlor may have been a wise financial decision on their part. Simple.
LisLwr: You totally missed my point (but you did kind of help me make it). Maybe I didn't speak clearly enough. In order for the pizza parlour to succeed, it would have to have the support of Teresa's community; the people who KNOW her. That did not happen. Her cookbooks are a success due to the support of her fans, who have watched her sum total for about 20 hours in a setting in which she is trying to make a good impression (the 20 hours is not exact of course, what I did was took the three season of 15 episodes, which is 45 hours and the 10 episodes from this season, the 8 hours of reunion time and added on 22 additional hours for WWHL, etc, bringing the total to 75 hours ) and then divided by 3 since there are other people depicted in the episodes ( I think 25 is actually a little generous). I feel pretty safe in saying that while her fans might enjoy watching her, they don't really know her.
You may be right that Joe said that he wasn't ever there due to not having a license; I didn't remember that. However, that is a pretty lame excuse since he is able to hire a driver for some pretty minor things, like meeting with the guys at the Laurita's. I would think that hiring that same driver wouldn't be a problem to be able to make a living for his family.
Yes, Teresa does have bigger fish to fry, and is doing quite well financially, it would appear. Joe's biggest fish, however, appears to be following her around and calling the work she does "stupid".