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Another Sunday, another episode of RHONJ. Hope you are having fun!
I'm currently in Palm Beach Florida enjoying a little quiet time with Al. It's my 51st birthday on Thursday, and he surprised me with a little getaway!
This has been quite a season so far, and frankly I can't wait for it to end so I can lock it away in my mind’s vault never to surface again.
Thank you all for the wonderful birthday wishes! The dinner was amazing, and I'm so happy you all loved the view. Here's a fun fact, my view was the side of a U-Haul that was used as an outside kitchen!
I was so glad to see you part with Teresa, I was disappointed with who you were when you were freinds. I see you as a much better person, she was dragging you down. The more I watch the reruns I think that for the wellbeing and sanity they need to get rid of her. She is one of the most disgusting and disturbed of anyone in any of the housewives, I really think she has something going on whether mentally or substance abuse. She just is not right. I also thought the green christmas looking dress was silly looking.
Why does ANDY COHEN attrack women who are not the trouble makers instead he had the nerve to always choose the VICTIMS like when he chooses to pick and read the letters from idiots who attack the 'INNOCENT' CALLING CAROLINE A BULLY OR DO YOU THINK YOU'RE BEING TOO HARD?" WHAT MENTALITY DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE? WHY DOES HE CHOOSE SUCH IDIOTIC LETTERS BAD SENSE AND JUDGE OF CHARACTER!
Caroline - If we lived close, you'd be a friend of mine.
Kathy - You're my fave because you have empathy.
Jacqueline - A supportive friend you've always been.
Melissa - You're an Italian principessa.
Let there be no doubt that I purpousley lett one out.
MalindaHT yes I noticed you left out the REAL house wife TERESA, guess your hating on her like the others?, join the gang of BULLIES
Teresa tries very hard to make amends with everybody. However, it was very hard to do when Melissa and Kathy came to the show and began trash Teresa in every way they could. Nobody is perfect and nobody is completely wrong or right. Misunderstandings and arguments might be solved only by communicating and listening to each other in a nice way. If that's not happening, leave it, go away, ignore, but not trash the person on a national TV. You, Caroline, used to like Teresa, because deep down she has a good heart. Were you wrong then? If yes, how you could be sure that you are right, now, by bullying her. Maybe you are wrong again. Don't let your anger lead you on in an ugly existense. Let forgiveness and understanding show it's pretty faces in your life. You, and only you make your family unhappy.
What is scripted and what is true on this show? I am not a fan of reality TV, or many television programs for that matter. When I do watch television my channel is generally set on Fox News, however I was flipping through the stations one day and came upon HWONJ. This particular day Bravo was airing consecutive reruns during Season One. I found myself strangely drawn to the show, and began following it since. I've never more than glanced at the other Housewives shows, and found them unappealing. Without a doubt, HWONJ has an interesting appeal, and attracts viewers in a way the other shows do not, at least from my perspective.
What I find so disturbing about ALL of the Housewives series has to do with the demeaning manner in which women are portrayed. These programs sterotype women as being a bunch of backstabbing, vicious, argumentative individuals caught up in gossip, out of control emotions and jealousies. The jealousies run the stereotypical gamet of pitting women against one another over every materialistic possession from what they wear, to who has the sexiest figure, the size of their homes, what the husbands do for a living, who is receiving more publicity, drives a more expensive car, wears the most expensive jewelry....Just name it, nothing has been left off the list.
These shows, and every episode reduce women into being empty headed individuals who are incapable of forming, or sustaining friendships with other women. To say nothing of the horrid divisive tearing apart of family relationships, exhibiting the exact same behavior as portrayed in the so-called friendships.
Notice the drastic difference in which the men are portrayed on these programs. Many of them are certainly not portrayed in a flattering manner either, but there is no comparison to the demeaning message about women in every episode, and on all of the series. Andy Cohen as the host most certainly solidifies the put down of these women, and of women in general. That is the underlying message here right? Women are a bunch of self-centered, air heads driven by petty jealousy and hatred, incapable of friendship, or sustaining loving families.
Back to my opening, I'm not certain how much of HWONJ is real or staged, my hope is that the majority is staged. Obviously, drama and personality drive the viewership. Personally, I don't know women who treat one another in this manner, in both friendships, or as family. Perhaps I'm the exception, but I do know I'm truly blessed to have maintained friendships with many women that date back to my grade school and high school days, and for me that's entering into my 6th decade. As for family, I've never experienced anything close to what has taken place on this show. Obviously, I've run across many people in life, and have been disappointed by friends, hurt by friendships that ended, and occasionally these disappointments have involved a family member, but one addresses the problem either perceived or real in an open and honest adult like manner, certainly not in the way the cameras have shown these situations.
To me, Season Four has been a huge disappointment. The show has been diminished in so many ways. One conflict and on going saga after another over what amounts to nothing. As all the people on this show realize, they have traded their privacy for money, and a degree of fame. One wonders if it has been worth it when you are also diminished in the process, not only as an individual, but add to the cheap shots taken at all women.
When there are so many serious problems facing our country and the world, it truly is ludicrous to see women who have been given so much get caught up in obsessing over what amounts to be so totally insignificant. There isn't anyone who should realize this more than people, and housewives living in New Jersey and New York since the horrors of 9/11. It would be refreshing to see these women get along, and come together for something more than self engradisement.
evo1 Considering your television is consistently tuned into FOX, I would say that you have quite a bit more experience than you realize when it comes to watching sensationalized misinformation. As far as the observation regarding the way women are portrayed in television. I would agree, however, I would be much more concerned with the FOX network misrepresenting women than Bravo.
Quoting from a great Italian, Leonardo da Vinci, " The depth and strength of a human character are defined by its moral reserves. People reveal themselves completely only when they are thrown out of the customary conditions of their lives, for only then do they have to fall back on their reserves." You showed your true character; mean, spiteful, angry, auditorily impaired. You were looking for a fight. You couldn't wait to spew all the ugliness from inside. You were not calm, nor laid back. Your true colors were revealed. It was very ugly. It was a reflection of your character. No one made you say anything; you did that on your own. The venom you spewed was disgusting. I can't watch this show anymore. Your negativity is intolerable. You used to be a fan favorite, but you've continue down this negative path by your own chosing. Your behavior is not that of a person of integrity. Your sons obviously love you. For the health of your family, you may have to leave. You are going down a path that may soon be too late to change- i'm talking about your character.
Happy Birthday Caroline! What a awesome getaway...you deserve it! I wish you a wonderful year of continued love, family and great real friends! I think everyone saw a totally different show...I saw you restrained, far beyond what I would have been able to stand. You did need to set things straight and call a spade a spade....a liar a liar... Anyone with a Psych 101 class could see that Teresa has lied, manipulated and used every cast member at one time or more through out the entire 4 seasons. Her eye contact, body language and HELLO taped actions/comments have caught her in lie after lie. Replay the seasons people, you will see the real slim shady...Teresa. Caroline you handled the insanity in the most honest & controlled you could have. You are a bright & positive and human. You are real!! Magazine covers do not make a lady or celebrity or role model, they (the magazines) are using Teresa until the next fool comes along and then she'll be tossed aside. I feel sorry for her and those who look up to that behavior. Much respect to You Caroline.....
Just watched Andy and Caroline.... pretty sad. You said: "I hate myself"; "I have a nervous laugh": I have a heart"; "I can't be fake"; "I had an absolute beakdown all by myself (but you left the door open :) ) and...it appears for an apology tobe genuine there is an entire list of rules and you musts! I really appreciate you giving lessons in being a loving, kind and decent American to all of us first generation American's whose parents have "off the boat mentality"! Whew! Let's see.... we all know you're fine with personal choice in sexual orientation, but immigfrants with "off the boat mentality" better watch out!? It would be very beneficial to your media career if you would take a few classes at your local community college. Loud mouth ignorance can only take you so far. Multi-cultural tolerance is a beautiful thing. My "off the boat" mother always had three favorite sayings: 1)Pretty is as pretty does; 2) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you; and 3) If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Oh... and I wrote this is English. Did I do a good job with my poor off the boat mentality?
My husband was born and raised in an area called, "The Hill". It was as Italian as you can get. Many people there are so very proud of their heritage and rightly so. I am swedish and very proud of mine but I am not "just off of the boat:. I don't think people who say they have "some" italian understand what it is like growing up in a home that speaks only italian and the pride their parents instill in them. It really is a wonderful thing. The children repeat the mantra taught to them and that should never be considered a bad thing.
It can be witnessed in other cultures as well. I have a japanese friend who does not speak of italians, chinese or the French the way she speaks of her Japanese heritage, that does not mean that she thinks she is better, it means she repeats what she knows and loves. When did this pride of our parents and those before them become such a bad thing?
When I started watching Real Housewives of New Jersey, my favorite person was Caroline. She was so sensible. I feel that she is going through the change of life now because her personality has completely changed. She better get to her doctor.for medication. Teresa on the other hand has her head in the sand when it comes to her husband. He is a jerk Brother Joe has come up in my opinion on how he handled himself in this episode and stood by his sister.
Caroline...what is wrong with you? Why do you want to hold on to hatred? She was coming at you very calm and nice. Why in the world you be such a bully and mean and ruin everyone's night? Get over yourself...you get pissed Theresa runs away and then get pissed when she comes back. She cannot win...Weren't you guys on Rachel Ray with the meatball contest...there is history and reason for her to joke with you in her book. I heard you were writing a book...I would not want to advice from you. And you weren't good on that radio show.
I'm sure the reunion will be another...let's beat up on Teresa, just like the last one...and you love it!!! You are so jealous, bitter and angry...VERY UNBECOMING!!!!! Let's just hope Andy is a fair moderator...this time!!!
Caroline get a life - Theresa is being blessed with shows and other projects The toast was understood, but again, Kathy wanted to talk to Theresa to get attention and it was clear. It was shown that Theresa and her brother wanted to make up and that was her focus. Why is everyone so jealous and then will not admit it. So, I intended to say Caroline get a life!! AND please, get Caroline out of the center in the pose of the pictures of the ladies - Please!! JUST SICK OF CAROLINE AND KATHY AT THIS POINT. We need new housewives on New Jersey now!! Asking for replacement of Caroline and Kathy - here and everywhere me and my friends can write.
I seriously think the show would be better without you next season! Go focus on The Brownstown and trying to mend your relationships with the siblings you don't talk to!
Carolyn you are the BEST, you tell it like it is and you don't pull punches. It does not have to do with age its about wisdom which comes at any age. Theresa is DILLUSIONAL and i would not want to associate with some one that toxic. Keep up the great work and keeping it real and I hope if you haven't already you and you sister make a mends.
Love you! You are awesome! I am watching the 'watch what happens' on 8/26 and I have decided that you are awesome! You are analytical, thought out and put your kids first...thats #1 in my book - no matter where I am! Love you!
Stop it Andy!! Caroline is the only voice of reason! I don't understand the viewers on Teresa's side! I will stop watching if Caroline leaves this season. Caroline stop apologizing!!! Teresa won't!!!!!!!!!!
The show is over and I am so disappointed in you...I have no words.
I am not a fan of Teresa's, but short of an apology on her knees, nothing seems to be acceptable to you. What a shame!
Caroline I'm so sorry that you had to go thru this alone! It's no secret that from back in the day you told Teresa that you would not be friends with her if she acted the way she did when she tried to attack Danielle on the reunion show. She lies! Bottom line! I'm with you every step and anyone else who's not is a crackpot!
Caroline, I'm really disappointed in the way that you have been acting this season... You are a completely different person. You say you want out of drama but half the time you are starting it. You should be happy enough with yourself and your own life to stay out of everyone else's.
What family did she destroy? Teresa wasn't getting along with Kathy before she came on the show, and that remains the same, so no destruction there. She hated Melissa with a passion before she came on the show, and last night Melissa stood with her and I would say their relationship is probably better than it's ever been. Where is the destruction that you are blaming on Caroline? Surely you don't mean Juicy Joe? I cannot imagine that anyone could blame that jack ass's behavior on Caroline. If you are going to make accusations like that, can you be a bit more specific?
Caroline (Miss No Drama)
Why did you not just keep your mouth shut. You started ALL the drama tonight!!
You have been one of my favorites, but this Sunday's show has shown a side of you that is mean and unforgiving. You talk about moving on, but you don't . The way you have treated Teresa is disgraceful. Are you not a forgiving person?
Congratulations, you finally showed your REAL true self. Just a big bully. So disappointing because I was such a big fan of you--or who you pretended to be I should say.
Caroline I am watching this weeks show and wow you are so powerful wanting the truth. I really felt for you but I have to tell You YOUR HAIR LOOKED GREAT! ... Kathy is the sweetest woman I hope you are still friends with her because she seems to be a good fit with you because you both are so honest
Happy Birthday Caroline may i say you ware it well. You are a lovely lady. God bless you and your family
Caroline, Happy Birthday!! You have always been my favorite and aways will be. I admire how you stick up for what is right. Love your family and all of the laughter that they bring to the show.
oh sweet Caroline, you are the most sane person who is positive and kind, and when i see these haters send you trashy insults i admire that you always take the high road!
what i can not wrap my head around is now many stupid people out there think the backstabber money hungry theresa is so wonderful... and that the only person with any love in her life (aka caroline) is the "instigator" !!
no wonder this country has such a high divorce rate
What planet are you on? RHoNJ was my favorite RH shows. Caroline had me fooled. There is no way the Caroline that was on the first season is the same character the season following. I am no hater. I loved the family dynamic of RHoNJ and was disappointed how Bravo/Andy brought in Teresa's family. In my opinion that took away from the show and made it mean spirited and negative. I thought Caroline was the more level headed person, I was wrong. I felt bad for Teresa and her family when her brother, sister-in-law and cousin came on the show to "Bring her down". This was evident to me because how they got on the show and their actions on the show. I call it as I see it. I don't agree with everything that Teresa does, but I did give her a pass on things because of all that she had to endure on the sure publically. I am aware this is what happens when you sign up on something and it could get out of control, but to have your own family be the ones to go over the line --very hurtful. I couldn't imagine me doing that to my family or my family doing that to me. We can like one over the other, but we should still be able to call them out when they are wrong. Caroline stated this season we will see what Teresa did to her. This season didn't prove anything of the sort. I watch a clip on WWHL and Andy asked Caroline what Teresa did to her. She stated the same thing -- about telling lies on her. He had to basically drag it out of her to be more specific. I must say it w on as lame and ridiculous. It just doesn't justify Caroline malicious behavior last season or this season.
The discussion with Kathy and Teresa was their business not hers. She even gave a threat to Joe stating "My husband will destroy you". If that was Teresa, all heck would break loose. I don't understand how Caroline gets away with the things that she says and does. It seems like Andy doesn't want to call her or the other cast members out on their craziness, but he has no problem calling Teresa out. I just feel that it is a show and they all need to be called out for when they do or say things as well. I realize that Teresa is the more recognizable person on that show, but it not right/fair when all are against one person. This is also a bad reflection on Andy when he does the Reunion Shows. He just can't seem to be objective.
@DeeDee5304 Andy is not objective....you can see he is afraid to confront Caroline but not Teresa. He needs to call Caroline out for her "her apology was not sincere" bull. She says Teresa should have called her....she said she tried twice...Caroline did not pick up.
Caroline, "Let me tell you something", your words in the previews, "my husband wll destroy them" and your words to Teresa who is trying to apologize to you for the upteenth time (yes, I know Teresa is no angel), are words full of anger, hatred and bitterness. Are you happy now, that you have indeed been a part in destroying Teresa? Do you not listen to yourself - you said a few episodes ago, that "you put the lid on Teresa's family issues". Really, really? Show me how you have done that. As a 51 year old woman, you should be embarassed about your behavior and hatred.
Caroline you are no longer this person who takes the high road. WHY are you instigating fights with everyone. You constantly say things to the other ladies about Theresa so that they will second guess their relationship with her. How can Theresa make amends when you CONTINUOUSLY bad mouth her to everyone. You should be ashamed of your behavior. If you weren't in the picture now, I truly believe all of the ladies would make amends, accept each other as they are and be a family. You don't give any room for mistakes.
I'm so sick of hearing you try and give some "high road" speech. I'm really over you. Leave this family alone and let them move on. Stop bad mouthing and encouraging this fighting. You are and istigator! Shame on you!
Bellygirl I agree, shes doing this because she does not want them to accept TERESA, that is her purpose, divide and conquer
caroline's book giving parenting advice! LOL she should wait to write it until her children are grown and off the breast milk!
I'm curious why Chris Laurita did not uninvite the Giudices. His wife Jacqueline just had a huge fight with Teresa, his sister Caroline cannot stand being around her, and no one seems yo respect Joe Giudice. IMO, it was a business decision by Chris Laurita. Imagine if the Giudice did not join them - there would be no drama, no conflict. The trip would be relatively calm and to be honest quite boring. The trip did have drama, lots of drama due to Teresa. Love her or not, she's compelling on the show; she has alot of followers, people who love her or people who can't stand her. Chris knows Teresa can bring it and thus guarantees a huge audience for his business venture- Levendi wines. The show is about selling products, in disguise. It's just one big infomercial. Whether it's Teresa's cookbooks, Kathys desserts, the Brownstone, BLK, Melissa' songs. It used to be about home decorating, charities, friendship. Viewer had an opportunity to see how wealthy people lived, how housewives lived. Now it just gross; men exposing themselves, calling each other vile names, disloyalty, heartbreak. I'm beginning to believethe drama is fabricated due to their desire to be relevant while continuing to sell their wares. That is why, I believe many viewers are still confused why most of the cast dislike Teresa so much ( they are very insulting to her, her husband and her family) but invite them to an important business meeting. I tried to pose this question before, but to no avail. And perhaps I will be writing in vane again. This is my explanation. i would welcome any other opnion.
Gem13 Hi Gem13. I have a bit of a different take on this situation then some, as well. Try to remember, If Teresa had not of gone on this trip, A Bravo filming crew would have been filming, Teresa & her girls, back in N.J. Now, of course, another crew would still be filming in Napa with the other housewives. When what has been filmed goes to editing, decisions are made as to what stays in, and what ends up on the editing floor! Had Teresa not of gone on the trip, a great deal of the Napa footage would of been cut. From a business stand point, Chris Laurita was smart enough to know, that having Teresa on the Napa trip, would give their business venture a great deal more exposure. I know some people believe that certain adventures filmed are in their "contracts," so to speak, but IMO that's a grey area. I think certain things are "expected, and or encouraged," but not necessarily Deal breakers. Teresa went on this trip coming from a place of hope & love. She was happy for the opportunity to share an R.V. with her brother, and SIL, and it's that love, that bond, that gave her the strength to try to endure Caroline!
Bear with me, this may be long, but I don't comment on everyone's blogs. Caroline you're now saying to Andy and anyone that will listen, that it IS the cookbook jokes that you're mad about. Listen, I've been watching intently from the beginning and this has been a fascinating tutorial on what fame and coveting can do. It's all about the money. You slipped on the deck ambush Caroline, and no one picked it up. All anyone has to do is watch it again. I watched it over because I knew the answer was in there in the timing of that conversation/ ambush. Teresa didn't know at that time why you were so mad. She knew when WATCHING this show on Bravo, as we all did, because by then you were using these blogs here and the press to lament your side, but she didn't know in real time or at the deck ambush why you were mad. And we all know that that bloodbath of a reunion was shot after this season we're watching now was over. .
The answer was there: On the deck, just like a tv courtroom battle, when Teresa was yelling back at you trying to figure out what the hell was going on, Teresa asked about the cookbook jokes as if bewlidered that that might be what you were so mad at. You all were yelling, and you and Jacqueline couldn't verbalize why you were mad, and Teresa again said "this is about the cookbook?" and the table was at the BREAKING POINT and then it came,,,,you screamed at her: "OF COURSE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COOKBOOK." But as anyone can figure out, it's what you would say next, directly after that omission, that would hold the key. RIGHT AFTER you screamed "OF COURSE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COOKBOOK," you immediately, without taking a breath said (paraphrasing) "I'm so sick of you turning my family against me" It's what-you-said- immediately-after-of-course-its-not-about-the-cookbook- and you said it half under your breath and with your head turned. It's all there, anyone can watch it again. Immediately after you screamed that it wasn't the cookbook in dramatic fashion, you said it's because Teresa turned Dina against you. So obviously that's the problem for you. Well now that Dina has said that Teresa has NEVER said anything to her that would make Dina angry with you Caroline, she's ruined that "excuse" for you. Dina has come out of hiding FIVE times to publicly state that for Teresa. Somehow you got it in your head that Teresa was the cause of your own sister wanting nothing to do with you and when you found out it wasn't Teresa, you had to create something for the attack on Teresa to be about. You've spent ALL your time since the reunion doing just that. And all you did with that info is to show us WHY Dina wants nothing to do with you. You're back peddling now and saying it's the cookbooks after you screamed it wasn't because that excuse is gone via Dina. This WHOLE mess was a jealousy induced, bully attack, and it was ugly and very revealing. You had so many attempts on this show fail with the Bravo gravy train and Teresa was making it big midst you and your family's failure. Simple...When you figure out that Melissa Gorga is the reason you are here, only then will you begin to win anyone back. She played you like a fiddle and is enjoying you doing her dirty work. Melissa now has everything she set out for, with the cherry on the sundae of ruining Teresa as much as she can. What she didn't plan on was the viewers seeing through her. And now she is sitting back happy and smug watching YOU have your persona ruined on this show, watching you finish the job she created and carried out with every ounce of her being. She had to succeed on this show via ruining Teresa. It bacfired on her with Teresa, we support Teresa more than ever, but YOU'RE paying the losing fans price, Melissa isn't...and she doesn't care that you are.
@RHWvwr Excellent, excellent post. I thought I was the ONLY one who picked up on that. Now, on this week's show, we say her literally say her husband "will destroy the Giudice's". Sorry, Caroline, you are INDEED a hypocrite and a person so filled with hatred over what??? A book, tabloids, what people say in tabloids? Take a look at the other ladies (including yourself) and read and view the vicious things you've said and try to regain some humanity.
Caroline, I wish I could just talk to you woman to woman, Mom to Mom, professional in this "biz" to professional in this "biz," because I'm all of those, and so are you. I wish I could make you listen to someone who has no horse in the race, but can see as an outsider, something you're too close "in" to see. I think we can ALL agree that you've taken a fall from grace. (Yes, Teresa has too, but I'm not speaking about Teresa now, I'm speaking to you). Sure, you still have some viewers on your "side," but what an ugly fight this has been to have "sides" on in the first place. Myself and a large group of women friends I have (most Moms, most professionals, all wonderful women) enjoyed the HECK out of you. If I'm being honest, I must say that each and every one of us is not a Caroline fan at present, and that's the nicest way I can phrase it, to keep you listening. And I don't see that changing because Caroline, this wasn't a one episode slip, or an emotional outburst that happens to us humans; but a long, drawn out terrible attack that cannot be undone HOWEVER, if you would just realize the source just once...speaking on behalf of all the women I know, this whole ugly mess could get back on track BECAUSE, if I'm ALSO being honest, I will say that not ONE of us is happy about not "liking" you anymore. I do realize how jr. high that sounds, but that's where this show has brought us. Each one of us wishes we still held you in high regard because you were so great and so fabulous, but this has been horrific. And I speak on behalf of a large group of women because I've found that if a large group of diverse people feel exactly the same, it usually means it's the "norm" out here. Its just the way it works. If there was ONE thing I wish I could make you see, make you understand and open your mind long enough (w-out the animosity you have at Teresa seeping through) it would be to tell you that MELISSA, is the entire reason you are at this place with the audience and in this storyline. Melissa wanted fame more than she wanted to keep her soul, and she sold her soul by slowly, manipulating and carrying the show's story to the place it's at now because that was her only way in, and she wanted in BAD. Joe Gorga and Kathy rode it because the fame and money potential is so great, but make no mistake, Melissa manipulated this show into having you pay the price for her dream, and for getting you to do her dirty work. Watch her when she sits back and watches you fight with Teresa. She has a smug smile, and has no problem watching you go out on a limb that she knows is making you appear as a monster so she can drive the final nail into Teresa. Every topic, every nuance and grip that this storyline has produced, that Teresa is fighting off with you in any and all arguments--- ALL were given birth by Melissa. Seems Melissa got everything she wanted,,,,you? ---not so much,,,AND (again) you're now doing her dirty work as she sits back now, back peddling and giving us a "decent" Melissa that has not made an appearance until now. When you understand it was Melissa, who needed you "here" to make her plan work, I can assure you, you will have your fans back