Could have survived without the bathtub scene, "gross" .
Melissa will never be good enough for her brother, and to some that is understandable. Melissa is controlling "however" but why is the question?
Yes! Let the healing begin, because all this fighting was giving me a lot of anxiety. Hopefully now I won't have to start my Gorga-Giudice feud support group to help people cope. In any event, let's look back at the memorable moments that led to what appears to be the deepest breakthrough in RHONJ history.
No. 3 - In Which We Learn Teresa Cannot Wink
That poor, poor attendant. It looked to me like he's a big fan of the show and then somehow found himself delivering champagne to Joe and Teresa in the bathroom while they're naked in the tub. How do you react to this? What do you do when the people you've seen on TV are suddenly in at your place of business in a state of semi-undress? Evidently by grinning sheepishly, pouring the champagne, and running out of there in a bewildered daze.
In other news, Teresa cannot wink, as we learned when she attempted to do so in conjunction with her "bow chicka wow wow" thing. What better way to ease all these flaring tempers than by getting frisky in the soothing waters of a Lake George inn's bath? If that doesn't calm Joe down, nothing will.
Could have survived without the bathtub scene, "gross" .
Melissa will never be good enough for her brother, and to some that is understandable. Melissa is controlling "however" but why is the question?
Even after Dr. V showed and explained how "no one person is the problem" people still fuel the fire.
Everyone is at fault. No one is exempt. They each and all have said and done things that are not right.
Who sits with others who bash or trash anyone in your family? You get up and go. People who do that have no respect for you. They are openly #^%ting on your family. They do it only when it is permitted and sometimes even enjoyed.
Every action has a reaction. Teresa said this and then Melissa said that...and visa versa it goes on on and makes for reality TV.. Shame that a family is dragged through such mud.
Truth is, no one listens to anyone during conflict because everyone is too busy pointing fingers. Theresa has done her share of dirt, but is not guilty of EVERYTHING that she has been accused of. If she would just ditch those negative people who are egging her on to hate Melissa, maybe some progress could be made. Theresa, get rid of the skank Kim G and her posse. They have nothing else to do but instigate negativity and they will continue to be a major driving force in the wedge that separates your family and your brother and his wife. The children are suffering!
I think Mellisa is the problem. She is such 2 faces and try so hard to brain wash her husband against his sister.
I dont like her and if there is rumor about her, Teresa can't do much about it. She is not making it up.
I see how Teresa wants to make peace with her brother but he is so brain washed by Mellisa.
Oh.. and its so funny how she says Loyal wife at the openning of the show. Why does she have to even say it that she is loyal?
I love that cute little squeek you do sometimes, it,s so adorable. Good job. Keep up the good work your brother is worth it, and I just love your husband. Your husband see,s things clear and simple no bull. He a true guy, good father, great husband and I hope he will be appreciated for the wonderful man that he is.
Not at all. I happen to have a relative just like Teresa. Lies lies lies, denial, and wants to be the center of attention and blame everyone else. And BTW, Bite Me.
I was hoping they were not naked because decent folk would put some bubbles in the tub. That poor guy with the champagne might of wanted to take a few sips himself. On the up side, that is a great story to tell at parties! I wonder if he could see the bite marks on Joe's junk. What? Inquiring minds want to know.
even if Melissa is a stripper who cares her husband does not ...why I we. why is that Teresa's business to publicize. doesn't he know that when u hurt your brothers wife u hurt your brother. this is common sense.
I hope Dr. V realizes that Teresa wants what Joe gives Melissa, real love and respect. Teresa is miserable and not center of attention where she requires much attention. She sees that Joe is a loving husband and wants that love too. She should should be happy for her brother and sister-in-law but she cant until she gets happy in her life. Teresa is so in denial and knows that she enveys what they have and wants them to have trouble in their marriage. She pretty much enveys too many people because she snaps her mouth to everyone and has no listening skills. She needs Dr. V one on one.
Just for a change of topic, I would like to say how much I enjoy the musical scores for the show! Whoever does the music really manages to set the tone for each scene. The music for the fight was terrific!
Teresa: Please, please, please stop squeaking! It's very annoying. Leave Melissa alone and your problems with Joe will disappear. Your husband is disgusting. I don't understand how you can allow him to treat you with such disrespect. Maybe that's why you are always out to get Melissa - taking out your embarrassment on her. Always trying t smear her name. Shame on you Teresa. Also Jaqueline is a decent lady. I emphasize lady. You should try to be more like her, kind and giving.
Both Joes are little fat short men, with big attitudes. But I will take Gorga over Giudice.
Yuck that man really disgusts me...Why is he so tired all the time? Bored? Bored with Teresa's crap, eats and drinks too much? Little fatty should go on a diet.
I wonder what Joey gorgas view of this episode is now, now that he watched what really happened instead of what Melissa says what happened? Rich had no business being at the retreat....he made everything worse with his bad attitude and hatred of Teresa. Who does he think he is?
Come on Teresa fans......it hasn't just been Melissa and Joey that Teresa has come uncorked with through all the seasons of RHONJ. She has had plenty of vein-popping explosions with Caroline, Jacqueline, Danielle, Kathy, Rosie....yep, just about everyone on the show and it is never her fault or anything she has done. Go figure
Joe only hugged her because she began crying with her crocodile fake tears. If she really wants to make up then she needs to leave Melissa alone and stop meddling in her brothers life and relationship.
Bravo -- My format is different on here & I like it. So "Bravo," Bravo! Onto the commentary -- I liked that Dr. V. took a no b.s. policy with everyone right off the bat. I couldn't believe she got Teresa to admit that she was wrong. That, in itself, was monumental and will hopefully go a long way in the mending process. I also liked the way she handled Joe wanting to call it quits. That lady is impressive!
Did the women all sleep with all that makeup on? Gotta love Rosie, no problem going natural for her!
When Teresa talks to her husband about her brother this is what he tells her. Your brother is a low life and you would be a idiot to make up with him. What husband would say that when he knows his wife set up a retreat to make up with him? Her husband is really such a jerk. I don't care how much people like him.
None of the inlaws belonged at the retreat. The retreat should have just been Teresa, Joe Gorga, Rosie and Kathie.
Than after they did their team building they bring Dr. V. After the session with just family; than they bring the in-laws.
No one is innocent in this whole debacle but it is not all Teresa's fault and it is not all Melissa's fault -- its very simple -- no matter who your in-law is -- they are never good enough for their sibling. Each and every character has a right to their own opinion of each other -- but honestly does this name calling really matter? Fix it and get along so you don't look ridiculous to the children and parents.
After listening to Dr. V I have come to the following conclusion: Teresa is jealous that her brother loves Melissa more than she is loved by her husband. Teresa hasn't grasped the notion that a wife is supposed to be the most important woman in a man's life.
Teresa is jealous, and I am sorry that she doesn't have the love she needs from her husband Joe.
I think all of them sort of state the obvious in the opening. Its their tagline. If Teresa truly wants to make peace with her brother, she should quit repeating nasty rumors about his wife and stop involving their parents. She brings them into it even when doing her one on one interviews. You know, like If my father knew what Joe said about me. She never mentions what their opinion would be about what she says, only that she is trying to fix things for their sake. It would be helpful if the parents would stop taking sides as I have heard, especially the mother do, many times.
@women_first How did Teresa publicize anything? What episode, what conversation?
Why would she want to ruin her own family's reputation?
Please watch the show before you comment. Teresa NEVER called Melissa a stripper, she said dancer when she was ALONE with Melissa in the bathroom. Not a public place. Think about who escalated that whole incident...Jacqueline and Caroline. Melissa was fine when she came out of the bathroom until those 2 got in her ear & stirred things up.
@TJA1947 If you think Jorga and Melissa have an ideal marriage, I hope you are not married or planning on getting married anytime soon.
Please. Of everyone in this cast. Teresa and Joe are the happiest--with themselves, their marriage and kids. The Gorgas feed each other's delusions and insecurities. They have nothing in common besides their hatred and envy of all things Teresa. That is all that they ever talk about! Ever! And, don't get me started aout the Walkiles...
@misskit Pay better attention.
Well said and so true. Your teacher taught you well and Congrats that you have acknowledged that!
@Karen62 Yeah, but she just shrieks. She doesn't hit, charge or take a swing at them.
@firstname.lastname@example.org Seriously? Watch the episode again. When he hugged her, he was crying too.
@email@example.com Joe hugged his sister because he loves his sister. I know that in moments of anger he has used the word hate when referring to her but that is all it is ( moments of anger) . We have heard him say on several occasions, no matter what she is my sister or I will stick with my sister. Remember who he left California with? Yes, his sister. Why? He loves her. The pain that this sister and brother are in was evident on their faces during this episode. Everyone needs to step up and admit their part in the breakdown of this family because they have all (not just one) have played their parts in it.
@firstname.lastname@example.org she hadnt spoke to Joe in over a year. Until melissa set her up with her best friend to stir up the pot before the retreat. So obvious. Melissa still no confrontation with her BEST FRIEND. Not a word spoken about how back stabbing and what a awfull person. NO
why? Acused T before she ever talked to her best friend to get to the bottom of it. How dare she acuse T with no proof what so ever. Somthing that would surely break T and Joe up for good. how dare she. You cross your T's and dot your I's before you go blabing. We all know that would be the last thing that T would get involved with. She knows dam well Melissa would again acuse her of setting it up. We all know T might not be the sharpest Pencil in the box. But she not that stupid. Melissa didnt have to much to poison Joe with on that retreat. She needed somthing. Why not acuse her of setting it up. She acused T. Never mind she wants T to admit and say sorry for setting her up. We all know T is not going to admit somthing she didnt do. So melissa back mailing T that if she dont admit to it and apologise so she can look like the victim. She controls Joe and everything he say sounds like Melissa. Thats why she wont leave them alone together. She says she is protecting Joe. FROM WHAT!!! his own Sis. What she going to do kick his ass. No Melissa knows how much he loves his sis but she brings her own BS between T and her self to keep them apart and uses Joe to get back at T. Bravo no matter how much you edit and clip to make Melissa look good. We see the truth. You can take the girl out of the trash. But you cant take the trash out of the gir. Sure you will not post this but as long as you know. We are not stupid!!
@njmomof3 Yup Dr. V did a good first step in the healing process....but I certainly hope that all of them continue to council with her and not Caroline. They need the professional help. It seems that Teresa was able to take correction from her without saying - No, Not Me.
@penneyone Guess you missed the part where her brother called her scum and then charged Joe, biting his balls in the process.. Guess that is all in a day's work with you because if that was me, I would be saying a hell of a lot worse..
@hannah79 melissa wouldn't let that happen it would mean less screen time
@hannah79 Please! Joey Marco can't poop without getting permission from his wife!! How would he manage to go on a retreat without his wife/mommy??!!
@mpviolin I don't agree. I think Joe does love her. I think they have experienced some serious bumps in the road legally, financially and emotionally. I also think he ran around. But I don't doubt the love and they seem to be bouncing back. But he isn't Joe Gorga. He isn't emotionally needy and doesn't need constant affirmation like Gorga does. And when he insults Joe to Teresa I think it's just his way of lifting her up. It's immature and misguided but his intentions are there. He's not the best at delivery on anything.
@mpviolin not it at all
@mpviolin so true. She is jealous that Melissa has a closer relationship with Joe than she used to, before he got married. And, of course, that is how it should be.
@Christiann52 @women_first WRONG! Kim G. set the wheels on that train in motion by having that man in the salon when Teresa JUST happened to be there! Teresa could have easily left the salon to let Kim G. know that she was having NONE of it, but she stayed. THEN as the fashion show, which was headed by none other than Kim G., who shows up, but this same creepy guy? And he JUST happens to sidle up to the table where all of the ladies were sitting. Jacqueline got a call from a friend just as this was happening telling her that SHE has heard that something was going down at the fashion show but she didn't know what. Caroline and Jac did not orchestrate these events. Kim G. did in the hopes that this would once again get her on TV to make her relevant on the show, thereby making her a regular.
May you should pay better attention BrenLeigh. Teresa never accepts responsibility. It's always someone else's fault. Squeak, squeak, squeak.
How about, flippin a table?......deliberately waiting outside the restroom to confront Danielle?.....then chasing after her?. How about tossing (during reunion show) Andy Cohen, down like a rag doll?....getting in Danielle's face shrieking at her?.....tossing pillows around the set demanding that they bring her back? Because Teresa's hit(s) didn't physically connect, is all good thus not abusive? Huh?
Not a fan of Teresa nor Melissa......but come on. This engagement is contributory!
Teresa does not dot her I's nor cross her T's before she goes blabbing the "rumors"either. To say Teresa is faultless is just not accurate. Those saying what a wonderful guy Joe Gu. is are overlooking a lot, e.g. breaking the law, likely cheating and the name calling. Like most, he has good qualities as well, and can be likeable. He has been influenced by his wife, too. There is fault to go around, but the underlying cause is what Dr. V. saw. That is Teresa's unwillingness to accept Joe's wife, and her treatment of her, and her inability to accept responsibility for her behavior. Proponents can see things how they so choose, but it is what it is. Much of Melissa's behavior is a response to the treatment she has received as I see it.
@rustyrusty123 Did you hear and see the part where Dr. V told Teresa that it was dumb and foolish of her to be with people who are trash talking? How can that ever work in any relationship? Come on, that is basic stuff...I don't believe that Teresa can expect to be viewed with clean hands if she has a part or any exposure when gossip and trash talk is happening right in front of her about a sister in law she does not like. What has annoyed Joe is that she sits there and does not remove herself or tell the other children ( women who are acting like girls just hitting puberty) talking about another. It is disrespectful to Teresa (after all it is her family) who permits that? Would she sit there and keep quite if it was her husband or someone she liked? All bets would be off. Teresa hates Melissa and does not think she is the choice she would choose for her brother. Simple !!!!
Someone who enjoys or encourages the bad behavior by permitting it to be done in front of them is part of the problem. Hence Dr. V. correcting Teresa. This is where she needs to learn her part in the behavior. Melissa & Joe are wrong also - but in wanting Teresa to own her part they are not. They cannot heal if Teresa does not own her part.
When Dr V said she and her brother need some time together, she said no, they are grown up now and have families of thier own.. She wants the FAMILIES (including melissa) to be close. THATS what she is upset about.. and I've seen this all along.
@DANNYE I totally agree with you 100%. Every family has their problems, unfortunately Joe and Teresa's have played out in tabloids and on a television show. I was never a fan of hers, but I see her in a new light now.
@threesistersx3 @rustyrusty123 OHHHHHHHHHHHH so even if we didnt here it come out of Teresea's mouth. We are to asume her guilty ? OH and Only Teresea would not own up to what she did. Of course the endless bashing and insulting comments from the Gorga's should go un noticed. They are above everyone and do not have to own up to anything. They wanted her to apologize for somthing she denies doing. Well as far as sitting back and letting people talk about Melissa. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE thats all Melissa does. It is not up to T to defend Melissa in any other way but to walk away. And that is what she did. Dr. V new nothing of what has been going on in the show. All she knows is what Melissa was saying...Rumors with no proof. Teresa did not want to get into a screaming match. So she said NOTHING about what they had been doing and saying about her. Or why when she herd Melissa say she was only interested in little JOe for his house. T said nothing to defend her self. Because she didnt care about having a fighting match trying to defend her self. ON THE OTHER Hand Melissa couldnt shut the hell up still trying to get a rise out of little Joe. Weather you like it or not. Its not up to T to take everyone on that wants to have her ear about Melissa. I didnt see Melissa confronting her friend to find out what happen. NOPE she just let it slide. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE who you kidding Melissa and her best friend set up T as plain as day. Thats why you will never see her confront her friend. You obviously dont watch the same show.
@kellyspeaksinfo @piperbeau @hannah79 I really think Melissa needs counselling for her own issues, she clearly has many. I think her daddy issues come back around to her relationship with her husband and are an enormous part of the problem between her and Teresa and the problem with Joe. Melissa comes from a home where her mother was a doormat and her father was a deadbeat cheater who left for days on end and came back when he felt like it, he also died when she was very young. She probably has major abandonment issues, and as a result she's got a vice grip on her husband, and let's face it, he's a softy and probably does in fact have a good heart which is why he allows it. Melissa seems to have had a very different upbringing than her husband and Teresa's, they grew up in a happy, loving home where everyone was close-knit and got along, and Melissa comes from a broken home. She has no idea how a close family really should be, and I think jealously a big problem for her. Maybe her daddy issues cause her to be jealous of her husband being close to ANY women, even if it's his own sister. She had no problem with Caroline being involved and giving her two cents, or going to her house in Hoboken and talking smack about Teresa, but as soon as Caroline asked Joe to meet up alone, she was saying in her interview that Caroline needed to stay out of it and mind her own business. She's the problem.