Garden Statements

Ep 17: Teresa lunches with Victoria Gotti and confronts Penny at the Poshce event.

on Sep 23, 20130

OMG!



What just happened?

Well, it's time for the annual Posche event. But surely there won't be any trouble since everyone is getting along. Right, Kim?



Right... (Except for the fact that Penny will be attending.)

But before we get to the Posche II party, a few other things happened.

Melissa performed her new single on the radio after her Johnny Wright crash course to favorable reviews.



Although Kathy admits she's a bigger fan of "Rockstar". Judge for yourself though, because you can stream the full song:



83 comments
susanzavagli
susanzavagli

what did you think about the Finale ........Caroline finally came to her senses and gave up Hoboken........the Gorgas are building a half hour from the Guidices and every one knows they had to sell that Albatross of a home to get out of debt.....lord help us she still thinks she can sing .......Kathy is building a new house with a dream kitchen it will cost alot of cannolis .......Jacquiline might not be back ...and the big question.....wll Teresa return

Greenpointer
Greenpointer

Maybe I am looking at this from a whole different perspective, but I think Melissa has more to do with her own "bashing" than any of us realize.  The clue was when she herself said that everytime she is about to do something, her name surfaces.  The latest being writing her book about her wonderful family life with Joe and then at the same time almost mysteriously a "rumor" of her infidelity and being a stripper surfaces.  I don't know about you, but there is a thing where Bad Publicity is even better than no publicity at all.  By Melissa's name popping up again around the same exact time of her book being published and her trip to Orlando and on air singing gig...........Well folks, come on now give this some thought !!!  Melissa could be generating her own publicity to make sure her name sticks around for awhile.  I am not saying ths is actually what is happening, but what I am suggesting is that you give it some thought.  Heck, we all have our own opinions and this is mine.  Melissa knows all too well Joey's explosive behavior and the fact he will protect Melissa even if she is wrong, plus he is and has been at odds with Teresa so who best to blame for all of this??  She knows Joey will be very angry at Teresa if she can get Joey to believe Teresa is behind all this, but because she is his sister she is "safe" from harm.  I think eventually this all will blow up in Melissa's face.  However, I think by the time that happens, she will be making her own money from her singing and be able to blow Joey out of the water.  In the meantime, she has the perfect "scapegoat" to take all the heat so she can go on and become a Rock Star Diva (ha ha ha ha ha ha ).

WCW
WCW

Three seasons of trying to take Teresa down is enough!  Who on earth told Bravo that viewers wanted to see families torn apart? RHNJ used to be fun to watch but this season was strike three - viewers aren't listened to and they are changing the channel and many won't watch next season (if there is one)!

Blondie62
Blondie62

I don't believe Penny OR Teresa!  Both did the damage and they got caught.

birdsong
birdsong

Note to Melissa: here's how you can have drama without dragging Teresa into everything as the rumor mill instigator.  Confront your attackers head-on, and leave Teresa out of it.  If she is behind all this stuff, she's never going to own up to it, and it's just leading to these screaming matches that the viewers have had their fill of.  Jacqueline was right this past Sunday night when she said (about Penny): "What, are you five?  You've got to do everything you're told?  You chose to do it, so I blame you."

 

Blame Penny, blame Jan, blame anyone who's coming out and saying this stuff.  Humiliate the hell out of them (there's your drama, for the show).  Once they realize they're not going to get anywhere with you by deflecting back on Teresa, Teresa will quit instigating (if she even is, at this point who the hell knows???), and bam - you'll have your precious family unity back (if you ever had it to begin with because again, at this point, who the hell knows????).

Kona_wahine
Kona_wahine

Melissa is obviously not singing that song live all by herself. I'm trying to figure out if it's a decent singer and she sings alone with or her auto tuned? Just enough to drown out the real Melissa.  Loved (sarcastic) Teresa's dig about how basically Melissa is too old to become a pop star.  Typical.

myguiltypleasure
myguiltypleasure

lots of referrals to Bravo bringing the Gorgas on the show and the Gorgas reasons for accepting the invitation...but now, years later those reasons have changed in one way or another just because change happens as time passes.  Blurred lines at the very least.  I for one believe the families have grown closer together...Juicy Joe has never been a good actor (or perhaps the best actor and fooled me) he seems to be much more open to Joe and Melissa after their AZ trip.  

As to Penny and Kim they both crave the camera, the attention and even the notoriety.  They will do anything to be on screen.

 

And/or it's all Bravo's editing. 

Jennacheryl
Jennacheryl

I don't get the rumor issues because Jan and Kim D already owned up. People were sick of this story line. Personally I don't care what anyone does in their personal life, none of my business; I am sick of the hating on T storyline. Bravo & the family screwed up by not telling her they were being strongly considered & hiring them. The Family in that they wanted to bring T down. Congratulations! !  You pushed a family (the Giudice's & the parents) to their breaking points. Awesome show....so good I am pretty sure I am out next season

 

GrandBeth
GrandBeth

I really think these women gives REAL NJ housewives a bad name.......NJ  women do not act like this!!!!!   this story line is just getting old and very boring.  The writers have got to start coming up with something interesting.  They need to go back to season 1 and look at how many viewers they had that made this show interesting for housewives that wanted to watch. I think everyone thought was going to be a light and fun show.  a family show that the whole family could watch.  we have enough violence going on in the world without having to watch something so dark and depressing. Think Joe and Rosie videos!!!!.....Now those are lighthearted and funny.

elizabeth.fisher.589
elizabeth.fisher.589

In addition to my previous post about not giving these HW any spinoff shows, Bravo needs to make them sign some sort of release that they will NOT pursue a singing career.  Between Kim Z, the Countess, Gretchen and Melissa, it is a wonder my eardrums haven't busted from bleeding out.  It really isn't nice to encourage these talentless women to humiliate themselves on national TV.

elizabeth.fisher.589
elizabeth.fisher.589

For the love of God, please do NOT give the Manzos their own spinoff!!!  In fact, don't give anyone a spin-off.  Let's have new HW cities instead (Chicago, Dallas, Vegas, New Orleans).  The only way I would watch the Manzo spin-off is iffin I was suffering from insomnia.  

penneyone
penneyone

I don't give two-tears about this story line anymore on who started the cheating rumors. I just got a kick out of Penny and Teresa fighting. Penny held her own but, I know darn well Teresa could throw her around like she did a table and Andy Lol.

Gofish
Gofish

Please Bravo, have a cast change next season. Make sure that they have something to offer the viewers like intelligence, class and a storyline.  These people are played out and dumb ... just like their storylines..... AMEN!

   

DeeZee66
DeeZee66

It cracks me up how everyone is on their best behavior these days.. oh, that's because they all have their own agenda these days... pushing products, selling books, getting a spin off show....  unbelievable!!   I think Melissa should rethink the POP Star thing...  Melissa, you can't have it all...  be grateful for what you have... sorry, but it's a little too late to be a "star"... besides, your already kind of famous...  but they always want more, more, more.  You said it yourself.. your kids come first.  Leave to the young kids... and just be a good wife and mother...  or whatever... just not a Pop Star... or Author...  I think Teresa did have something to do with all of this and now its coming back to bite her...  Karma...  is all I can say.  What a shame...  see what money, and fame can do to you if abused or misused...  I think they are all ridiculous...  and if the Manzo's do not support their kids...  then why can't Al retire until he knows the "kids are all set?"  Sorry, but I am sure that place will not do well...  they should just take over the Brown Stone..  Next week looks pretty interesting... and Tre and Joe on WWHL after the show....  wonder what that will be all about....

SylviaS
SylviaS

Teresa's trying to "take Melissa down?" And she's doing that how? Lying that she cheated on her husband? Who cares? Even Joey's not interested. So if it's a lie, Teresa's smarter than Agent 007 because she managed to find an old boyfriend to make statements that Melissa banged him after she married Joe. Then she got Melissa's good friend Jen to turn on her and say she witnessed the rendezvous! Damn. Teresa has a future in espionage. The entire premise is ludicrous. Maybe Teresa heard the rumors just like the entire cast and a lot of New Jersey. So what? She's not obligated to defend Melissa. This is all so flimsy. I guess Bravo wants a tit for tat because the fans are pissed that Melissa and Kathy came on the show to destroy Teresa. They're trying to turn the tables and claim that Teresa is trying to destroy Melissa. Yawn.

TT49
TT49

I've watched all of the seasons of RHONJ and this is my opinion of what went down.  I think Tre started the ball rolling with Kim D and Penny.  How else would Penny know alot of personal info.  When Tre feels that she is wronged she gets nasty.  (Did you notice her dig to Melissa about a rockstar beginning in their 30's.  To me she is jealous of the attention that Melissa is getting because she is still ticked that Melissa and Joey are on the show.)  I think now that they are trying to make up, all of her conspiring is coming back to bite her in the tushy.  Karma is a biatchi.  I actually think if she would own up to what she did and apologize and move forward everyone can.  It chaps everyone that she lies (which is blatant) then cries victim.  It's clear that Tre can dish it but can't take it.  Just own it.  Say I was pissed and I wanted to hurt you as much as I thought you hurt me and for that I am truly sorry.  END!  Move on.  They've come so far don't go backwards.  If Tre continues to deny it will still be an issue.  I personally think Tre should drop Kim D and Penny.  They are both special!

 

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

I bet all my lil' ole' housewife budget that Tre' would have wiped the FLOOR with Penny if it wasn't for her husband being in legal trouble and she can't have anything against her or them or it would look very bad to the court!

 

I am so sick of the BASH BASH BASH Teresa show!  WITHOUT HER, bravo wouldn't even have this show!!!!!!  Viewers are tired of all the one sided/favoritism towards the others and constantly allow viewers to think that Tre' is the worst.  

 

I loved this show and have watched every single episode but I'm about to hang it out to dry.  DON'T care about Mel's singing!  Don't care about the mazo'd family drama.  Don't care for Kathy's constant in the middle but sides with all but her cousin drama.  Jaq 'maybe' has seen the light.  I like her and Tre' together!  That was when it was FUN!

 

Tre's family came on this show to do ONE thing-destroy her.  Bravo has allowed that to happen.  They have admitted to hating Tre' before coming on the show.  Slandering her behind scenes BEFORE coming on the show.  

 

Yeah... all Tre's fault....  Whatever.  Mel's is a 'wannabe' Tre and it's sickening to watch.  Her so 'much better than anyone else's' attitude.  Such a victim... *rolls eyes then vomits*

 

Does it even matter to the producers/creators of the show that the viewers are sick of it?!  We want Tre back with OUT all the bashing!  Was it worth destroying a family for a show?............

 

Yeah, this won't get posted..

susanzavagli
susanzavagli

Another fun night of pure Jersey Girl antics.........I was disappointed Melissa  sang with all the techno I would like to hear acapella ...her singing lesson proved she needs training they should have put that on the radio and there would have been no Orlando show....how much did they have to pay White o waste his time on this dilutional women who thinks she can be a performer...........Love Victoria Gotti .....Teresa should have brought her to the Posh event and let get a piece of Penny ....speaking of the Posh event did you notice the appearance of the attendees ...they were far from Ridgewoodites ...........hope the Manzo boys can live up to Big Als restaurant standards   

janb55
janb55

any event that involves Kim D. will never go well.......

hannah79
hannah79

The issue is really that Melissa and Joe Gorga let these comments get to them.  Ignore the comments and stop fueling the fire  -- Kim D and Penny are just bored women looking for a little fame.  Its about time the Gorgas, Lauritas, Giudices and Manzos learn not to react to twitter comments and who said what to whom.  Not all of us live in New Jersey to know who these people are; and not all of us listen let alone believe many of the twitter comments.

The issues are that the housewives and others do not have alot to do that's why they get all huffy about a bunch of words. . . . Children use to chant "Sticks and stones can break my bones; but words will never hurt me..."

mibasho
mibasho

Theresa you’ve accomplished plenty kudos, but you've done a lot of horrible things: you insulted your family, you then leave when your confronted, and claim innocence.  You run to your husband/buddies and blame others over conflict. family problems should stay within family. you stated personal things about your brother/sister in law to your friends. Did you tell your pals what Joe called you in Cal. Joe and Melissa are cast members: accept it. Maybe you should leave if you not content.  Karma is a B----. Do you not realize the viewers are intelligent, and we see how phony you are. Your brother, family and friends all know your spreading hurtful rumors, why? What did you get out of it. The worst thing you did was: throw water at your brother at the Gym…there’s a lot you’ve done and he forgave you, but that still sickens me to my stomach. Anyone would be lucky to have a supportive brother as Joe, Anyone!  Now that all is unraveling, you’re the culprit-you are now called out, and you need to finally admit to your corrupt words/actions. Jacqueline, Chris, Kathy, Carolyn, Albie all had your back. They were great friends from the beginning! You dropped a poisonous bomb within the group.  Now you want those you turned on to back you up against Penny. Are you kidding me? Huh! I feel sorry for your parents/kids: they are so loving, “you created the disruption with your brother. If anything happens with you and Joe-You do know that your brother and Melissa will step up to the plate and help. They would have from the beginning! Never choose friends before family. Your brother is the best! I’d like to give him a hug for being such great man to his wife, kids and friends, and a great-forgiving-loving brother to  you.

fiesta
fiesta

What I don't understand is that Penny owns a hair Salon!

Hulali
Hulali

 @Jennacheryl

 I agree!  And I can't even stomach another episode now they brought Penny in to drag it out more.  WTF cares!!!

JDOM
JDOM

 @GrandBeth

 I think instead of a Manzo spin off there should be a Juicy Joe and Rosie spin off. 

birdsong
birdsong

 @GrandBeth I agree, GrandBeth.  Joe and Rosie are great together!  But you do need a little drama to stir things up, so I say Bring Danielle Back!  Oh, man, what a nut job she was!  And at least she didn't ruin the show with it, like this storyline did. 

amerikiss
amerikiss

 @TT49 I believe that Penny got her info from Kim D.  Just my opinion.

DeeZee66
DeeZee66

 @TT49

 I agree...  just own it but she just cannot face it...  she is in denial...  about everything...  it got way out of hand...  that is why she did not want to go to Penny as a united front.... because she knew she was the one who put her up to it....  now, she is trapped in a corner... she should of just fessed up...  it will always come back to you...  she is gonna learn the hard way....   I actually cry when I watch this crap... I too am from an Italian dysfunctional family...  only difference is they have money... and fame...

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

 @TT49 Um... She would know it ALL from Kim D!  She has her personal numbers, etc...  How do you not know that Tre was 'venting' about Melissa not going to see her dad at the hospital?  And Kim D went with it!  Just because it looks ONE way does NOT mean it's the ABSOLUTE way...........................................use your imagination.  Tre' would NOT want to hurt her and her brothers relationship.  As we have see, Mel-does that!

 

It's like this.  Normal people (not on T.V.) can go to a friend and vent about things.  Not worry about it.  However, because they are on TV-people want their 5 mins of fame!  So the lies.........come!  

 

 

julieraye83
julieraye83

 @A_True_Housewife 

Actually, without 'Tre' the show would be so much better! This is what? Three seasons of the same booooooooooooooring story?? Most of us watch the Housewives Series to see new and different interactions between the characters, not this boring same-old back and forth. If they left the show, I'd re-up and watch again but as of now I give up. I don't care who's talking about who, it's ALL old news.

sandi2
sandi2

 @susanzavagli great idea!  Let Victoria Gotti get a verbal shot at Penny and Kim D; sh'd clean up the dirt real quick.

ESinAZ
ESinAZ

 @janb55

 It's deja vu all over again.  Yet, every year there they are again...

ESinAZ
ESinAZ

 @hannah79

 I don't think they "let" them get to them...that is what they use to stay relevent.  Think about it...Joe Gorga was looking up year old tweets while his wife and sister were on the high wire in AZ.  It wasn't a new tweet that had just popped up.  He had to go back to find something to flip out about. 

Apparently, that's how he gets sex from Melissa....

jerseygirl_aatrh
jerseygirl_aatrh

 @hannah79 But you see hannah79, without the rumors, the Gorgas have no story line. Those two bring it up every chance they get like it's their job. Seriously, what else does she have to talk about, her singing career? You know the one she never practices or works for. The one she expects to be handed to her cuz she's on reality tv? 

 

Melissa and Joe will do nothing to squash the rumors and continue feuding with Teresa as long as that is their only reason for being on the show. 

plainviewsue
plainviewsue

 @hannah79

 The craziest thing is nobody has been worse on causing twitter drama than Jacqueline!!!!

Christiann52
Christiann52

 @mibasho

 "anyone would be lucky to have a supportive brother as Joe"?!  Are you kidding me?!  Little Joey Gorga only supports Melissa because if he doesn't, she will cut off his balls.  He could have squashed all of this 2 seasons ago but then what would his storyline be?  His wife's singing?  Not so much.  My ears still hurt from last night...

Glimmer88
Glimmer88

 @mibasho So what do you think about what Melissa tried to do to Teresa before she ever even came on the show--with Danielle??? That was lowdown, rotten, scheming and dirty and in Melissa and Joe's OWN WORDS---the only reason they came on the show was to "take Teresa down".   Melissa has been so jealous of T and if you fall for Melissa and Joe's fake and phony BS then you must not be very perceptive............  So many people have not watched all seasons/episodes and don't know the full story behind it. 

Sharyn923
Sharyn923

 @fiesta

 Well if anyone needs to go to a salon, it is certainly her....but not her salon

ESinAZ
ESinAZ

 @fiesta

 Can't decide which is worse; the pony tail or the clip in extension.

janb55
janb55

 @fiesta

 is she a hair stylist?  If she is, that's a salon I wouldn't go to.

ESinAZ
ESinAZ

 @JDOM  @GrandBeth

 With the recipe for the steak he cooked for Rosie...that topping looked delicious!

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

 @DeeZee66  @TT49 Own what exactly?  Own that she had a conversation with her friend that was PERSONAL?  That she is ALLOWED to do that as a human being?  That she didn't NEED approval from her brother and sisnlaw to vent to her friend what is bothering her at the moment?  Own what?  That her friend went and spun a little personal venting into a big chaotic nightmare?  

 

Um... No.   Kim D needs to OWN what she did and so does PENNY.  You got a nice little spin on the facts but just because it seems one way doesn't mean it's absolute.  Try thinking outside of the box.  (no hate-just real talk)

 

Btw-the ONLY one I seen not wanting to 'confront' anyone was MELISSA in confronting her best friend of yearsssssssssss in her wedding!  Um... yeah...

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

 @julieraye83 **The only way Tre' will leave that show is if she decides too.  Why would they ever get rid of the 'star' of the show?  "She" is why the ratings skyrocketed and made this show popular..................

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

 @julieraye83 Actually, without 'the new families' of Tre's being on the show-it could go back to the way it was!  When it was actually "enjoyable!"  It's boring because all they do is 'hate' on Tre'.  They brought them on for MORE drama.  It's backfired because we are all tired of the Tre' bashing so they can get their 5 mins of fame.  

 

 

WCW
WCW

 @plainviewsue  

 Jac has been vicious on twitter forever so for her to call out someone else (and I couldn't find the tweets she was referring to) when she sits on twitter too much herself actually made me laugh a lot.

CrazyKoolaid
CrazyKoolaid

 @A_True_Housewife  @DeeZee66  @TT49

 

Um...no,    My comment to you was the reciprocal game-play they BOTH took part in.  Teresa  had "a personal conversation with her friend", and Teresa "vented to a friend" and allowed to do so.  Using your words TrueHousewife...not mine.

For you to then respond,  "big difference" because Tre was NOW only admitting to "listening", is a wee bit confusing.   Did she vent or not, just listen or not?

But as you said, and I agree, this is one hot mess and sickening!

A_True_Housewife
A_True_Housewife

 @CrazyKoolaid  @A_True_Housewife  @DeeZee66  @TT49 Um... no.    Melissa admitted on the show 'to' Tre' that she went to Danielle, that she hated her, and was going for dirt.  Tre' has NEVER admitted that.  She has only admitted to 'listening' to crap the others said about Mel.  

 

Big difference.  Tre' was sorry for being around the people that started all of this and listening but never said anything.  Which we all seen.  Her just sitting there.  She told Joe, she never put any of them up to anything.  She was sorry for listening at what they had to say about Mel.

 

You would be right if Melissa had only been 'venting' to Danielle.  By her admission-she engaged.  She wanted to get the dirt.

 

Anyway-sick of all of it.. LOL  

CrazyKoolaid
CrazyKoolaid

 @A_True_Housewife  @DeeZee66  @TT49

 I actually agree w/your "just imagine, outside of the box" assumption that Kim D. was instrumental and should own it.  She is a major player in this drama.

Lost me w/your defense that Teresa's 'personal venting information' given to Kim is entitled and allowable.  If you fly with that justification.......the same should be given to Melissa's 'personal venting information' given to Danielle. 

Why excuse one woman, condemn the other, when BOTH practiced the same idiocy.

I do try to follow the dots and acknowledge that 1+1=2.  IMO, Teresa and Melissa were/are the puppeteer's and Kim D. and Daniel danced when the strings were yanked.        

Sharyn923
Sharyn923

 @A_True_Housewife  @julieraye83

 At this time I really feel badly for Teresa.  Facing jail time, leaving her kids separating from her husband.  Even if the allegations are true, it is a hell of a price to pay to say "goodbye" to the life you lived to sit in a cell, jail food, watch inmates fight instead of tv for who knows how long.  50 years?  That would make her near 90 when released, her daughter 59.  Even if the do 2/3 of the time, it is still a long long time to be locked up.