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Jill Zarin

The Golden Rules of Friendship

Jill talks about her first real fight with Bethenny, and wonders if they will ever reconcile.

April 4, 2010

 

There is so much I want to say but I could never come out with the right words. Am I sad watching the show? Yes. Do I wish I knew what others were saying behind my back at the time? Yes. Would it have changed how I reacted to what I saw? Maybe. It was a difficult time for me and Bethenny. I had NO IDEA what was going in her life. It had been four months since I had last spoken or seen her. Ramona and Alex did not tell me anything. I guess I should have picked up better "cues" from the ladies, but with cameras in your face you can imagine the distraction. I was absorbed in my own world of "stuff" and just needed time to think. No one would give it to me. Everything you see happened within a matter of a few weeks. Not months. Everyone keeps ambushing me. It was awful. If I could have just talked to Bethenny without cameras in my face I think we would have made up. It was just too much pressure for me. I was very wounded and needed some time to think. Remember, this was all happening very, very quickly.

I loved Bethenny like a sister and hope one day when the cameras are all gone we can reconnect. My mother, sister, and I talk about friendship a lot in our book, www.secretsofajewishmother.com. It was written during the summer. I talk about my relationships with everyone and how we feel about friends.

Our Golden Rules of Friendship are:
1. Be There
2. Apologize when wrong
3. Forgive. Let it go.

 

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I couldn't think you are more right!!

I think you and Bethenny will become friends again. I believe in time things will work its way out.

I really like you Jill. You haven't really done anything wrong. I think women that haven't gotten to the point in life that you are at are 'wailing' because they don't understand what you have given them - friendship, support, love. They may never reach your point of 'reality'. but that has nothing to do with you. i'm just sad that you, as the most advanced and mature person on the show, somehow feel like you need to change. Don't. You are beautiful, smart, supportive, and helpful. So take a break. Love your life, your daughter (who is beautiful), your husband (an absolute gem), your mother (just like mine), your sister (gorgeous and successful) and your friends. Jill - i know we can all change - and we should stay open to that. But don't loose who you are in the process. You are a helpful, beautiful, honest person. And the camera doesn't lie. :) Lucky for you.

Jill

I truly love watching the show because of you, but what got me the most was your friendship with Bethenny that was what the show was. I was truly surprised to see this battle this season. I believe you had your guard up for the wrong reasons and at the wrong person. Since then Bethanny has created this wonderful family, and I wish you could of been a part of it. My heart goes out to you two, I know this friendship is a memory, but hopefully next season Jill we can see a more productive person out of you, and you leave Bethanny alone. The friendship is gone, and you just need to move on.

Maybe you should let the chips fall where they may where you and Bethany are concerned.

You have apologized and said your piece and she has said she doesn't know where to fit you into her life.

So, maybe it's time to let her go on with her life and you with yours.

It can be amicable, just not what it was. Too much has changed.

Wishing you the best.

I know one of the most important things in my life are my friendships. We all have faults but a true friend embraces that. Everytime mean words were uttered, I cringed. I cried when you embraced each other at the reunion show and I hope your friendship can be mended. You are my 2 favorites of all the "housewives" shows. (Can relate more to you both.) Please forgive each other...God does.

Jill,

You told Bethenny it was over on the phone, remember?
When Alex asked you if there was even a 1% chance to make up with her when her father was dying, you still wouldn't.
The problem is YOU, controlling every relationship.
You decide when to take friends back after they suffer enough for you.
When the girls ignored you barging in on the island, that's what you deserved for coming unannounced. You should know it's never proper to just show up and burst in without calling ahead to ask someone first, in this case Jill. Etiquette!
Ramona is right, you see yourself as always saying harmless things (that make people cry!)
Now that Betheny has her own show, you wanna REALLY make up because she's more popular than you.
As for Alex, you're just RUDE to her! But you don't care, because she's got nothing you need her for. You're not above her. Quit talking about people's kids, too, especially when you weren't there.
Don't blame other people for what you caused all by yourself!
It's your turn to suffer!
And start thinking who's feelings you're about to hurt, before you open you big mouth!

Jill, You are my favorite. The only thing I have to say is stop worrying about Bethenny. It seems to me like you are begging to be her friend. Let it go and it will all work it's self out in the end. Been there done that.

There are three types of thyroid cancer. Two of them are no big deal (trust me on this, I too had thyroid cancer). The treatment is a single, oral (pill) dose of I-131 radiation. Your hair doesn't fall out, you don't have months of treatment with nausea -- and most of all, you don't have a big death fear. All of the other thyroid CA patients I know have some level of "survivor's guilt"...the two treatable types of thyroid cancer are not a big deal.

That Bobby didn't use all his money to get a better surgeon (like mine, who hid my 1 1/2 in scar in a wrinkle and did my thyroidectomy endoscopically) is really weird. Guess he wastes all his money on the conspicuously consuming Jill.

Jill, I love you to pieces, but you've got to let this thing w toxic Bethany go. She's not in your league, never will be. she's classless, self centered, thrives on drama and is a mess. Let it go. She's not worth the time, effort or energy that you're putting into it. Face it.....some "friendships" just don't have what it takes to endure the ups and downs, the thick and thin. And this is one friendship that was superficial to start with. I lost all respect for both Bethany and Alex when Alex ripped you a new one. That right there speaks volumes about both of those women...note I said women, not ladies.
Focus on your family, your book, your career. Continue to cultivate a true, meaningful and sincere friendship w the Countess. As much as I love you, think before you speak. And if you can't say anything nice, just smile, nod and walk away. You've got way to much class and good breeding to stoop to all the cattiness that these other women need in order to thrive. Let Bobby's illness be a wake up call to you...life is to short for the drama that most of the other cast members live on....savor the goodness and the positives your life has. You have way to much going on for yourself to even be more than casual friends w these other wanna be's. LuAnn is the only one worthy of your time, love and friendship. Toss the rest of them out like yesterdays garbage. Good luck to you.

Bad form Jill, bad form.

Jill, you're very jealous of Bethenney, she's young, smart, gorgeous, funny,very outgoing. You're just a hater, Beside this you're trying to manipulate the others by gossiping and pushing them in a certain way not being around Bethenney, then Alex whenever they'll have something going on. THAT IS SO SAD.

You're the worst on the show this season, you don't cook, you never give any attention to your husband and your daughter while you were on the show, but you'll be shopping, sitting in the store so people can see you have a store. You don't clean, everything you do on the show is to catch viewers attention. "SHOW OFF". Poor Bobby.

SO LONG HATER, SHAME ON YOU.

By the way, hanging out with the Countess is good for you so you'll have the chance to learn some good manners and how to make friends, respect them and other people around you as well.

frist i hope this gets posted.........

Dear Jill,

season 1 and 2 you and bethanny were my favorite housewives. but now i am team bethenny because you cant see that her dreams are coming true like she found her soul mate and having a little baby girl. why still bad at her? she tried to say i am sorry but shut her down 3 times. you say she like a sister to you and love her but you are not showing any love on this season to her forgive her then she will forgive you. you both are right and not wright in this fight towards each other....

from
jennifer

Jill, I never ceased to be amazed at the inconsistencies in what you say and what you do. No one has been ambushing you. Things have happened in situations where everyone made the call they felt was appropriate. Had you been in the same situation, I can imagine that you would have excused yourself and blamed everyone else for jumping on you. If you believe in the golden rule, the original one, not the one you devised, then you should really thing about whether or not you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In fact, you seem to be living just the opposite. You seem to be doing unto others whatever the hell you wish but expect them to do unto you as you would have them do. Hypocrisy is a very dangerous thing.

You keep saying you need cameras out of your face, in order to apologize and it just seems like you're hiding something. You know what you signed up for. An apology happens from the heart. It's not contingent upon cameras. You should know that.

I was very disappointed by Jill this past few episodes. I was sure she was the type of person who would rise above the common gossip which creates so many scars. I watched NYC Housewives and thought of it as my favorite because the OC Housewives was becoming trashy with the newer housewives, and I don't want to even mention Atlanta or New Jersey - so I was really disappointed by the NYC women. They have lowered themselves to the other versions trash level now. And JILL - YOU who I looked at a woman with the most class in the show - well how wrong I obviously was. The Countess - well I think she can mean well - but is passive aggressive many times this last few shows which seems to be where you are heading. Truly sad I am.

Team Jill all the way. I am amazed that you can still wish Bethenny well and care for her future. It goes to show that you have more sincerity than she can ever hope to have. Bethenny is all about Bethenny. She couldn't look past for a second her life to come to your side when you needed her most. Who needs friends like that. Not you Jill!!

At first Jill, I was just argry with you, but now I am just sad. I think now Bethenny needs time to heal and you need to respect that time. I don't know how this is all going to turn out, but I know you two can't go on like you are going. I wish you all a safe trip.

jill, Reilly Hunter wants you to call her.

OMG Jill, you are the only real one on the show! Bethany is self absorbed and I can't believe she is playing the victim. Things supposedly are going well for now so she doesn't need you. Good bye! Move on! I'm glad the Countess is there for you and you for her. I wasn't real crazy about her last season but she has proven to me by standing by your side that she's a keeper. Ramona just has jealousy issues. I almost can't stand her and would never buy her jewelry.(and I have a great appreciation for jewelry) Hang in there...you are a tough cookie and you know who you are...people look up to you and that's why they break down your every comment or word that you say. Texas Loves Jill!!!

Jill,
I know what's it like to have a fight with your bestfriend, especially one that ends the friendship. The only thing you can do is just sit down and think about if the friendship is really worth saving. If is not then let it go, if it is then all you can do is try and keep trying to fix it.

Jill,
I so understand where you are coming from. You, Bobby and your Mother were so there for Betheny when she had nothing. That is the true mark of a good friend! But when you needed her all she could do is send a gift basket and leave a voice mail for you to get a hobby! Unfortunately, not everyone knows how to be a good friend. I only hope that you and your family enjoy your success and you have the friends in your life that you truly deserve. Betheny may have a great wit but she seems to use it way too much to slam people. She will hopefully change when she has her baby and realizes that she is not the most important person.

jill you are a great person .. to bad the 3 season its not showing in toronto canada iam a great fan of the show i still thnk that Bethenny should have invited you to the wedding iam going to read you book soon i see in canada it was a plesure speaking with you that day ....we have a muture friend iam hoping one day we can meet in person take care in good luck luisa

Jill, your problem is that in the past you wasted your time making friends with some classless, bitter, jealous people. Glad to see you getting smarter. I'll read your book.

Jill, Jill, Jill,
You are who you are. Holding a grudge big time and acting stupid and gushing on the "Countess" it's time to watch your own actions and thoughts. That will show you all you need. You should be grateful for such nice family who puts up with you but who are really great husband and daughter.

You should practice what you preach in your rules of friendship. If you didn't care so much about yourself & cut out just some of your selfishness, maybe you could then learn to be a real friend. Real friendships are worth so much more than material things & your image. They are everlasting, something you will never know because money & attitude cannot buy them. Your loss!

I really wish you would comment on all this wonderful blogs ur getting but you obviously are scared

jill,
honestly get over, its not good to hold grudges. i dont understand why you cant forgive bethanny, your frindship with her is probably more important than any other friendship that you have with any of the other housewives. If bobby can forgive then why cant you! she appologize to you so many times to you want more do you want! you USE to be one of my favorites but after this i dont think really think i like you anymore!

I am amazed that Bethenny seems to have become the victim! As a single woman, priorities are self-focused; as a woman with a husband and family, you learn how to handle the needs of several loved ones and learn what is really important.
Jill was disrespected by a dear friend and in several attempted discussions, Bethenny lashed out again and again charging that this wasn't such a serious situation and she did send that gift basket... Jill backed off the friendship and more hurt or attacks; so how did Bethenny become a victim?

Jill cares deeply about Bethany and it shows-how many mentions in the blog? Sadly the composition centers around why she would NOT reach out to a friend, bad defense. Jill can't air a private voicemail from two months ago and expect apologies off camera. Both women have tremendous integrity but could stand graciousness.

Bobby's cancer may have exhausted you & made you hyper-sensitive to perceived offenses by Bethany. She has an extremely dry wit and I'm sure had you explained how her comment offended you, AT THE TIME, she would have apologized for hurting her dear friend. The fact that she wasn't there for you while you underwent the stress of Bobby's illness was due to the fact that you didn't tell her about it! She is very talented but Karnack she isn't! You know she wouldn't have let you down, had she known. No friend would. I'm a cancer survivor whose also had thyroid problems. You may or may not know that although Bobby is fine now, with both those conditions, it may not last. You need to apologize to Bethany for your inexplicable behavior, you both need to agree NOT to discuss it for a long while, and sincerely try to make amends and repair your friendship. It would be a lovely time for both of you, what with Bobby's good health news and a new marriage/baby in Bethany's life. You'll both feel SO much better. Also, forgive yourselves and MOVE ON. As we get older our friends and family leave us. You both will need a GOOD friend throughout your life. Which is too short, believe me.

OMG so nothing to do with Bethany or the other girls. Jill you need a dog trainer to get Ginger in line. Never tell a dog who is acting fearful "it's okay sweetheart." or use other kind words, pets, treats, etc. or you reinforce the behavior and it gets worse over time. The dog begins to believe that "My owner is talking nice to me so I must be doing the right thing." If you bring that dog to a vet leave the room, she'll do much better without you there reinforcing the bad behavior. The only way to get her over such fears is to stop reinforcing them and train her in obedience daily in a positive way so that she does not fail. This will build her self confidence to new things. Jeeze, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

This whole thing, specifically the end of the friendship between you and Bethenny, was just plain unnecessary; and, franky, strikes me even at this very moment as extremely sad. While I certainly understand why you were not invited to Bethenny and Jason's wedding, I have to say that perhaps Bethenny should have invited you and Bobby to the wedding regardless of whatever had transpired; and let the chps fall where they may. Ramona deserves a lot of credit in trying to get you and Bethenny to both take the high road and salvage the friendship. You are right about one thing: Forgiveness is definitely the route to go, not just as to Bethenny, but as to your approach to things in life in general.

But Jill, you played the private message Bethany left you on your cellphone to LuAnn ON CAMERA,so why you want bethany to talk off cameras She did not deserve ALL of what you did. You're not a victim so please don't act like one. We all make mistakes and no one is perfect. Learn from yours and be a better person. and please i would suggest you to aply those rules on your life because obviosly you don't.

Jill~ I have to agree with Leigh Ann's comments from (4/19/2010). I seriously miss the old Jill; so very compassionate, loving, caring and devoted friend. You and Bethany both have to take responsibility for your actions. Sisters argue and make-up, good/dear friends, too. Lastly, stop allowing Lu Anne to add fuel to the fire and allowing Kelly to lite it. Bring the real Jill back and allow her to be "Happy" again! Life too, short!

Dear Jill,

I am shocked that so many people are upset with you over Bethanny. On the phone call while LuAnn was present you told her that she was not there..then she started to attack you and said you where running all over while Bobby was sick. At that point you pulled the plug and I don't blame you. You tolerated too much from this girl and her toxicity is everywhere in her personality. You don't need this in your life and stick to your gut feelings as you have.

Best to you!
Jen

Jill,
So sorry that you are going through this as the bad guy. What doesn't seem to be understood is that you were there for Bethany when her life wasn't going well and she needed someone to lean on. But once her life got better she turned her back on you. It seems as if you are the giver in the relationship and she was the taker. It's ashamed that she wasn't there for you when Bobby was ill. I think people should take a step back and realize that Bethany isn't the only one hurt, that you were hurt as well. Hang in there you are a good person.

IMO, there are a lot of wonderful ladies in this group. Imperfections become flair for the audience / drama creates ratings. LuAnn could have backed off and not added fuel to this fire. LuAnn is a good person, but made some bad choices getting involved here. However wrong any of the ladies were in this situation, I believe each are genuinely good people and hope they can each do the right thing here. Jill and Bethenny shared a Rare Friendship, and healing it would be worth the while for sure. Wishing all the best for all of them.

Jill is in denial that she was wrong. She knows Bethanny has this snipping attitude she should not have gotten bent out of shape with it...Also, Jill just needs to fess up and apologize she is not listening!!! to Bethanny side!!! If Jill can talk about her relationships with everyone then why can't Bethanny do the same!!!

Jill, I loved you and Bethanny as friends. Don't know what has happened to you. Everything you say, on the show or in the press doesn't add up. Last week you said your bad behavior was due to you trying to be more like Bethanny. Again, you don't take responsibility for your own bad actions and how can you say you want to be like someone who you think is bad. Your book on friendship is so two-faced. Again, what happened to the Jill we use to love and now can't stand to see? BRING BACK THE OLD JILL!!

Jill,
i would suggest you to aply those rules on your life because obviosly you don't.

But Jill, you played the private message Bethany left you on your cellphone to LuAnn ON CAMERA. It does seem like you are trying to make Bethany misserable and bring her down when she is finally finding happiness and success and it makes you look jealous of her. I have noticed that whenever one of the ladies are doing well or are involved in something good and fun you have NOTHING nice to say to them, you judge them in a negative way.

Jill...you've been bashed enough. You know you were wrong. We know you were wrong. You simply need to admit it publicly-the same way you made Bethenny beg for your forgiveness (without you even given her so much as a second thought). It's only right. She did not deserve ALL of what you did. You're not a victim so please don't act like one. We all make mistakes and no one is perfect. Learn from yours and be a better person.

Jill I think that you and Bethanny's friendship is more valuable than you are treating it. She reached out to you and you shunned her. Why dont you contact her off camera?!! Lu Ann is going disappoint you REAL badly. She is a hypocrite and I do not trust her.Neither should you.

Jill, B. never had a chance with you. Whatever she did was never good enough. She sent flowers she should have called. she calls you she should see you face to face. She meets you face to face and you want to go hide away from the camers after YOU slamed her any chance you got. She never had a chance with you and thats just sad. You need to figure why your really mad at her because your BS is just not making any sense. How funny that B sent Lu flowers and she should have given her a hug, come on can you not see how high school your being?

Dear Jill:

You don't seem to be happy with anyone but Luann. That is a major mistake, she needs a friend for a while and your it. Don't be so jealous of the younger women, you had your day plus you have a nice gentlemen who is a wonderful companion. Consider yourself blessed.

So Bethenny told you to "get a hobby." This has been blown way out of proportion. So what? You made a bigger deal about it than you should have. Bethenny has begged you to forgive her and you refused. (Why is Bethenny being put into the position of having to beg anyway?) You are not practicing your own advice. Does Bethenny's offense by telling you to "get a hobby" warrant your treatment toward her and you refusing to accept her apology? You are a bully for giving her the silent treatment and refusing to meet her half-way to work it out with her. You have portrayed yourself as being the biggest victim. Over this? Come on. You obviously are not as "tight" with Bethenny as it appeared last year. Bethenny's friendship should be worth saving. Any you're giving it all up over some trivial thing like her telling you to "get a hobby?" Grow up and stop it already!!! (It cracks me up that LuAnn is right by your side soothing your wounded ego every 5 minutes, like you've suffered the worst offense possible. Pu-lease!)

I think your comment about not wanting to talk to Bethaney on camera was an excuse to distort things once again! I don't blame Bethaney for not agreeing to talk in private... who knows how you would have rewritten history on that conversaton. Last year, you were one of my favorites... I thought you were kind, level headed and fair.. this year I am so disappointed. Your apologies to Bethaney are too late for me. The camera is not on you 24 hours a day... you had time off camera to work things out before everything spun out of control.. Bethaney was right.. you just wanted to win... how does victory feel? I think Bethaney should keep the "toxicity" out of her life.. and that includes you and Luann.

Own up to your own mistakes and inappropriate behaviour. Do not try to turn this around on Bethenny because she didn't do exactly what you wanted (talk off camera). You are such a controlling friend.

Hi Jill,

I am sooooo disappointed in you. You were my favorite housewife since the beginning, and I loved the relationship with you and Bethenny. I know people and things change but you have done a complete 360. You are petty, you gossip and put people down, something I never thought that I would see in you, what a let down. My daughter and I visited your store, I mean we were real Jill Zarin fans, now not so much. You have become a "countess", a snob, a stuck up and it's not pretty. Your are rude and want people to feel empathy for you, why? What happened to the "real" Jill, some fame and fortun? That can be taken away in an instant.

Bobby is still the sweet gentlemen that he was in the beginning. Jill look in the mirror and ask yourself "Where is the REAL Jill Zarin, find her and come back down to earth, we miss you.

Still a fan but not as much.

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