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Aviva Drescher

Women Behaving Badly

Aviva is disgusted by the ladies behavior (and attitude about Reid) in St. Barths.

Aug 27, 2012

Who were Ramona and her sidekick to utter a word at all??? And let's not forget that Ramona KNEW that Reid was coming before I ever left New York and, believe me, he was not interested in being around this group of pent up cougars. We had discussed it! The house was HUGE with separate entrances/exits for each room So what was the problem? Why such insensitivity towards me and my family?

The ganging up on LuAnn to shame and intimidate was terrible. Did you see Ramona berate Carole for having Russ over??? Ramona was concerned that it was HER first night??? This was Carole's trip, and she hadn't seen her boyfriend in months!!! Does Ramona ever stop and think of others? Who behaves this way to a friend? To a hostess??? This looks like spring break for cougars. Not my style and certainly not worth dragging my husband on the plane for.

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Jasmina_in_DC 12 pts

Aviva is my least favorite housewife (including all casts).  The personal attacks/name calling is so classless.  She is the true bully here - she is the one who would not let anything go, the name calling, the non-stop attacks...  So full of judgement.  Watching her made my head ache.  I hope Andy cans her or I will o.d. on Advil.

burningeden 27 pts

What is wrong with Ramona and Sonja naked spooning? You have mentioned that a couple of times and I am curious about your aversion to it. I have been married to the man of my dreams for 20 years. My best friends from high-school still get together twice a year. There are six of us and of course, I am closer to one of them than the others. I love them all, but one is just my person. She is my go-to for everything. Yes, we've slept in the same bed. Yes, we've spooned. We're both married so we are both used to having someone else in the bed. She has even spooned me in a hospital bed after I miscarried at 22 weeks. My husband was out of state and she stayed there with me, all night, hanging onto me. It made me feel safe. It made me feel loved. It made me feel like I could let go of my pain and she would catch me.  

Sonja has been going through hell with her divorce. It is obvious that she still has feelings and wants a friendship with the father of her daughter. It is obvious she is struggling to land on two feet with all the money problems surrounding her. It is also obvious that Ramona is her person. For better or worse, this Laverne and Shirley tag team are in it together. They are Ethel and Lucy. They are Thelma and Louise. They are the turtle time, party hard, dance your ass off and drink until you throw up kind of girls. Both have to be professional in their day to day life. It's OKAY to let loose and let it all hang out among friends. My friends, all six of us, have been naked in a sauna comparing the sags and wrinkles and general horror of getting older. We are all about to turn forty and we're taking a trip to Alaska. A three bedroom cabin awaits us and, of course, we've got our pairs picked out. My person and I will share a bed. And I'd be pretty damn pissed if she didn't spoon me and keep me warm at night. Do I love my friend? Of course I do. Do I love her the same way I love my husband of twenty years? No. 

If Ramona and Sonja want to naked spoon or swim naked together or walk around naked on a nudist beach --- who cares? I don't know if it's romantic. Perhaps it is. Perhaps it isn't. One thing I do know is that the girl who parties the hardest and laughs the loudest and puts on a smile while she drains a bottle ... she's usually the one who cries herself to sleep. In the dark of night those demons come out. There is no audience. There is no center stage to command. There is no one to laugh with, drink with, or forget with. 

Thank GOD if that person has an anchor who will hang onto her or let her hang on to them.

 Their bodies, their boundaries, and their closes-ness should not be put under a microscope by you. If they are comfortable being naked and in bed together --- it's truly none of your business. 

I love you. Like I said. You seem to really care about your charities and you are willing to confront your phobias occasionally. Did you ever think that Ramona is Sonja's "Reid" and helps with Sonja's own fears and phobias? Maybe Sonja does that for Ramona as well.

In the grand scheme of things . . . naked spooning ranks about as high as changing a child's name after he's several months old. It doesn't matter at ALL.

 

betterwife 385 pts

JoJett... I agree with you that Aviva's remarks tell more about her than those whom she's talking about (And the same goes for Ramona! She, too, was lashing out with angry outbursts when things didn't go her way.) But,  Aviva takes the cake with these crude/cruel remarks designed to discredit and destroy anyone who upsets her. She's trying very hard to ruin Ramona and Sonja's reputation... hence, the remark about them spooning in bed... and in St B, she said she knew for a fact they all had men there every night! (Jealous much??? LOL)  Looks like next week, back in NY, she's going to have a 'friend to friend' talk with Sonja to tell her she's worried Sonja is spiraling out of control. LOL (SOMEONE is spiraling out of control... and it ain't just Sonja!!)

 

I tried to like Aviva but something wasn't quite right when she kept hounding Heather for not inviting Ramona to London and talked about it to everyone! Heather had her reasons. Aviva is very passive aggressive. She wants others to think that she's "really caring" but that's just to hide her envy/anger issues. She keeps making a big deal about how much the other women drink.... but HER actions are sure signs of  "addictive" behavior. It might not be alcohol, but it's something that distorts reality for her and fuels her anger too, I suspect. It could be the reason she want's Reid with her at all times too.

JoJett 83 pts

Oh, and one other thing. Mentioning that Sonja and Ramona were "naked and spooning" in their bed was really a very classless attempt to start rumors about them and stir up something that doesn't exist. Even if it does exist, you throwing that into your remarks above was incredibly high-school mean girl, and classless.

 

That remark reveals FAR more about YOUR character than it does theirs.

Propeller 7 pts

Dear Aviva,

This is a reply to your latest events on Saint Barts, but has relevance to Ramona and Sonja's

insensitivity to your very worthwhile charity.

 

Ironically the same thing happened to a couple from the prior two years of the show, although that couple just moved as a unit. But the husband's presence interfered with what ever the "all girls" dynamic is about: regressing, abetting each others  fantasies about  sexual attractiveness, enabling shared narcissism while revealing inappropriate levels of intimacy, and

an overall lack of boundaries and  self-awareness.

 

When ever you mention an unpleasant reality, they retreat because such admissions threatens

the bubble of artifice they inhabit. It scares them, so they try to deny it's significance to you. They can't handle it. Sonja in particular, terrified by her loss of status and money, can't figure out what to do, and turns to just plain silly "solutions" which prolong her plight.

 

The Countess, by the way, has had her moments of bullying and classlessness, especially last year when she was hostess on a trip to Morocco. Each dinner included a lecture on etiquette, and embodied a lack of grace and easy hospitality.

 

We all carry some "baggage" from childhood. The important thing is to be self-aware, polite as can be, and not boss other adults around. The echoes of elementary school are astonishingly

obvious to the viewer.

 

But by the same token we all have a breaking point, and your lashing out was just that from

a terribly deflated feeling that all you had gone through to get there meant nothing to

"the girls."  They don't do empathy.

 

PiaDiddly 554 pts

 Propeller Completely agree about the Countesses classless behavior in Morocco and was disturbed no one seemed to notice at the time.

 

LuAnn did not make her guests feel welcome. She gossiped about them to the people running the house and to the other guests. She belittled them if they did not do what she wanted when she wanted.

 

Instead of her elitist comments about Alex's shoes why didn't she simply diffuse the situation? She is very accomplished and it would have been easier than the backbiting.

 

I personally don't party hard the way Ramonja do, but am unsure why everyone feels so judgmental about it. These women let loose on vacation. If no one is violating marriage vows or being a buzz-kill for others, then what is the problem?

hannah79 537 pts

You have PTSD from your accident.  I like how you say it like it is and blow up -- and than apologize.  At least you get it out into the open and Ramona and Sonja know where your coming from.  They may not like it but your expectations are clear.   Thank you for bringing to light about anxiety problems -- I so enjoy you on this show.  You do a great service to the community by bringing to light about anxiety problems and being an amputee.  Love, Love, Love Aviva.

Nikkki 18 pts

Wow! What an incredible snob you are! Calling people trash? Rattling off your resume? Putting yourself above other people? It all comes across as extremely pathetic, and you look painfully insecure and judgmental. Are these your true colors? What a change from the other episodes this season. I would be so shamed of myself! Who are you to judge what the other women do or drink?! You're right, you should have toyed home!!

SPW816 553 pts

@Nikkki Wow! That was harsh!

JoJett 83 pts

 SPW816  Nikkki I disagree, SPW. I think Nikkki's comments were right on the mark. They were an appropriately measured response to the level of offense. Aviva was incredibly harsh in St. Barths; far more than anything that has been said here.

lisae7188 34 pts

 Nikkki

 It wasn't so much "rattling off her resume" as many appear to have taken her comments. Rather it was her way of saying 'I am an intelligent woman.

I don't need you to interpet what I see and hear; I'm very capable of forming my own opinions'.As far as the trash comment, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck - then it's a duck

robby.buckner.5 182 pts

Aviva, I've liked you from the start.  However, I was dissappointed in your actions on St. Barth but, knowing you were stressed out all day, will give you another chance.  I'm not ready yet to make a judgement call based on one bad situation.

TupeloHunyntheLou 634 pts

Aviva, I think you were horrible to Ramona and Sonja on this trip...the same way you were to them when they didn't show up for your charity event. It seems as iif you turn into this mean monster when people don't respond to you the way you think they should. Ramona and Sonja were justified in expecting the trip to be a girl's trip. I understand you have a list of phobias. However you cannot expect everyone to alter their lifestyles to accommodate your phobias. I personally think that your fear of flying isn't as severe as you are portraying it. I think you are using that "phobia" as a way to get attention. You were very dramatic on the plane ride wuth Reid. The histrionics were over the top. And when you got to the house where the ladies were, every time someone asked you how the flight was, your response was "it was really, really bad". Each response( 4 of them), was said so dramatically, as if you were speaking it for he first time. You owe everyone an apology.

Sandeestill 398 pts

I did not agree with all the wild behavior on the trip, but you a very quick to judge others!  Remember how you didn't listen to Heather when she tried to reason with you about Ramona?  there are two sides to every story.  Not sure if you watched the show before, but the "Girls" trips are always pretty wild, so I am not sure what you were expecting, but it's pretty obvious!!!  Evn though I don't agree with all the behavior that happened, you had some very low class comments yourself!  I think you need to apologize to a few people!  As far as the phobia problems you have - you need to get some help!  It seems like they are getting worse & you cannot expect people to "roll out the red carpet  & drool all over your husband" for helping you!  He is your husband!! 

skwilliams65 40 pts

Can u believe Aviva? Her explanation blog alone describes what type of person she really is! Poor Aviva! How dare these ladies act unbecomingly! They should take tantrum lessons from her and everyone would get along a lot better, be better mother's - etc - and she's appalled? She can't believe their teenager behaviors? As she says - blah, blah, blah - did she even view her behavior or even remember how she acted - from start to finish - and as for the others and drinking - at least that gives them a reason for unbecoming behavior - she acted as she did stone sober! That tells me - what you see is what she is! And her statement of the others only thinking of themselves - again, is she not only suffering from anxiety but maybe also some other type of mental delusions? No one on the show screams (demands) to be above all others more than Aviva- not even snakey Ramona! Ramona, Sonja, and LuAnn - we are all use to and know already - they are fake, back stabbing, step on anyone, loud, obnoxious - the list is endless - but didn't Aviva view episodes of previous seasons before signing on to be part of this show? Being so educated I'm sure she did - why did it take her half of this season to figure out Ramona - she knew - she tried her best to play the game - hob knob with the most sought after at the time - that could and would benefit her the most on the show - and it back fired on her! Sorry about your luck Miss High and Mighty - and while we're at it - you stated your need for Reid on this trip and due to your anxiety of flying - it was related to your probability, statistically, that the odds were against you due to your accident at age 6? Again, please, you're at least 50 - and an accident at age 6 - and it was a tragedy - but I'd say your odds are great and in your favor - not against you - being that your accident was at age 6 - and you're now 50 and nothing else major has happened - am I missing something - or is this also being used as another one of your excuses? If you honestly looked into this - I am sure - you've paid the price, and with nothing else happening to you over the years - I would think its safe to say you're not on any list, doomed in any way, or have a black cloud hovering over you - and it's probably safe to say - being rich, living the life you have, having the opportunities you have had - etc - God has more than compensated you - over and over - luxurisly - so, I think you are appalling by playing the victim due to your injury and not acknowledging all that you have and have been given - you did not earn all these things on your own so spare us that one too - save the cries of "why me" - how dare you! - when so so many have suffered as much and some a lot more than you - and did not and do not have the means to function without difficulties - have "legs" for each type of outfit or different style of shoes as you so boldly display on air - then turn around at the same time and cry your woe me song! Let that song be sung by those that really carry the tune!

TupeloHunyntheLou 634 pts

@skwilliams65 AMEN...WELL SAID!!!!

gretchen3114 9 pts

@skwilliams65 I agree! Bravo @skwilliams65!!!

TheDishisGood 184 pts

Aviva, after watching tonights episode, it appeared that you were upset going into the room with Sonja and Ramona. It appeared someone had told you things behind their back in private to get you angry. Then, LuAnn made a comment that through you over the edge. I know you are an attorney and know everything, but, it did feel as if LuAnn said something to you prior and reinforced it when you were all together. I know you are angry at them, but, I think Ramona was trying to help her friend Sonja. She is all alone and I think that S&R talked and that is why Ramona was trying to help her out and get another place for them to move to just in case. While you have your fears, Sonja has her sadness and loneliness. We saw LuAnn clearly say that Reid being there would change the dynamic and clearly lie. She is the one you should direct your anger at. You had a chip on your shoulder the moment you got there about them. Clearly, you thought their antics in Florida were not appropriate and it festered and made you more angry with them than you should have been.

Rita-la 460 pts

 TheDishisGood I suspect the producers. Aviva was definitely on the edge and ready to pounce when she asked if Ramona had any negative things to say about Reid being there. Reid and Aviva's plane landed in daylight, but it was completely dark when they arrived at the house, which Alex McCord says is just 15 minutes away. So with the gap in between, there was plenty of time for the producers to give Aviva a big nudge.

Lulu_Badudu 12 pts

 TheDishisGood

 You are spot on!  Why does Luanne get a free pass when she was as much a part of the discussion as Ramona or Sonja - and none of it was anything to be upset over at that!   Clearly Luanne instigated the whole fiasco and threw the others under the bus but Aviva should have known that, she has seen Luanne try to turn everyone else against Ramona all season and was fully aware of Luanne's anti-Ramona agenda.  She wanted to fight with Ramona & Sonja, she wanted to be mad at them.  She's a stewer, she can't let anything go, she's been mad at them both since Florida and also for not coming to her charity.  She was looking for an opportunity to have it out with them, and to do it on camera, she was planning to do this before she even got there - she kept making reference to how rude they were to her and Reid when they arrived.  Well, they were not rude to her or Reid, they were welcoming and told her they were happy she was there, they thanked Reid for bringing her. 

SHE was rude, and the epitome of "White Trash" to use her own crude words to go into someone else's vacation home and cause such a scene!  And then wouldn't let it go, had to keep it going for 2 days and nights and keep everyone else involved.  But the comments about Ramona & Sonja "partying" and bringing home strange men were over the top.  They are adults and they are on vacation! They can party if they want to!  Aviva wasn't there so again, who is she getting her information from?  My bet is Luanne, why all the attitude about Sonja bringing home a guy but nothing about Luanne?  Not that it matters, but Luanne did it first and  Luanne is also engaged and trying to get pregnant, Sonja is completely single and if she was to screw a cute frenchman - that's her prerogative.  In any case, Aviva  is certainly judgemental of behavior she did not even see first hand.

Msurreal 13 pts

OMG,, Can you over react anymore..The poor white trash comment was so uncalled for. you just shown your true colors. You just need to get over it  and you need to apologize for you actions.

Virgolady6901 61 pts

 Msurreal

 She says she is sorry,,but then she says However, or but,,which means she still feels justified in saying all the things she said. I hate a half "I'm sorry.

GGik12 731 pts

Avila, I understand your feelings were hurt in learning that some girls discussed how Reid's arrival would disrupt the girls trip dynamics, however, Ramona and Sonja were calmly telling you that they were happy you were there and that Reid had his own agenda for the trip. You immediately scolded them loudly, called them names and insulted them, while continuing to act childish. Then you run to rally all of the girls to try to get them against those two. That is low and uneducated behavior. Believe me I'm actually not a ramona fan, but in this case I feel that you are wrong. Here's the thing, you were the one with the imposing issue that I certainly feel for you, but it's not their problem. You impose your anxiety issues on this trip and go in blazing, your antics ruined the dynamics! And Carole's night. And to say you expected the red carpet treatment and a party for your arrival, jeeze, why? Who do you think you are? It was just ridiculous. Get over yourself. This entire season all you have done was instigate fights and we are all tired of it. I'm hoping at the reunion, you own up to it and apologize, or you'll again look foolish.

GGik12 731 pts

Avila, I understand your feelings were hurt in learning that some girls discussed how Reid's arrival would disrupt the girls trip dynamics, however, Ramona and Sonja were calmly telling you that they were happy you were there and that Reid had his own agenda for the trip. You immediately scolded them loudly, called them names and insulted them, while continuing to act childish. Then you run to rally all of the girls to try to get them against those two. That is low and uneducated behavior. Believe me I'm actually not a ramona fan, but in this case I feel that you are wrong. Here's the thing, you were the one with the imposing issue that I certainly feel for you, but it's not their problem. You impose your anxiety issues on this trip and go in blazing, your antics ruined the dynamics! And Carole's night. And to say you expected the red carpet treatment and a party for your arrival, jeeze, why? Who do you think you are? It was just ridiculous. Get over yourself. This entire season all you have done was instigate fights and we are all tired of it. I'm hoping at the reunion, you own up to it and apologize, or you'll again look foolish.

cgarden 647 pts

After just watching the latest episode...I have to say you are very passive aggresive and this is the first time I saw it, and you didn't let up at the dinner table....asking Ramona why she wants to move your seat and being sarcastic with the "fun fun fun" statement, let it go. I think YOU were the one who went overboard in this case, the others did not owe your husband a thank you for getting you there, YOU did.

Butterfly413 75 pts

I can't believe you repeated the "Rush" nasty comment.  It should never, ever be said about any women.  Shame on you.  The "White Trash" comment was more tacky then what Ramona and Sonia said.  It wasn't ever a big deal.  You should have had a nice cool shower and changed your clothes when you arrived and I think you would have handled things better.

Diniva 439 pts

 Butterfly413 She's obviously a Rush fan, that explains everything!

michelle.adler 105 pts

 Diniva  Butterfly413 Good observation!  She's definitely in the uber upper class, a fan of Rush and likely a Romney supporter. 

MJD4 93 pts

From what you bring to the screen, it seems like you need to learn how to meditate, do yoga, or something else that will help you relax.  In regards to St. Barth, it seems as if you were looking like a fight as soon as you arrived.  Everyone seemed to be having fun until you arrived with your drama.  

beverly0957 6 pts

Aviva, these are not "friends" -- I am embarrassed by Ramona and Sonja; you and Carole and Heather can definitely find a better class of friends

 

Lulu_Badudu 12 pts

 beverly0957

 I think Carole and Heather would be better off without Aviva too.  If I was Carole I would be horrified at someone causing such drama at my vacation home and making all of my other guests miserable.

espy25 95 pts

IMHO you do NOT face your fears or address your phobias. Your husband is your crutch. If you truly believe what you said, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger", then you should actually go face-to-face with your fears. Allow your husband the respect of being supportive without being so needy that he has to be your sole support. Maybe if you didn't throw your phobias around like, "This is me; take it or leave it" you would find support from some of the women. It could open up a whole new world for you in the comfort department. That, plus being less judgemental, could go a long way.

cgarden 647 pts

I definitely like you and think you are a classy and smart woman. I think your husband is a total gem and clearly loves you very much, always a sweet and endearing thing to see.

I think the girls were their typicaly silly, juvenile and disrespectful selves (Ramona and Sonya) without really meaning to be. I think its just them thoiugh their behavior for me gets old really fast.

The only thing that stumped me and a friend who loves the show said the same, is how you kept wanting everyone to thank Reid, for bringing you. I found that odd, they really didnt' have to "thank" him, it was only you who should thank him for getting you there. It isnt' their job or obligation to do so, so I fully disagree with you on that and I am thinking you were still stressed from the flight and thats why you acted that way. Overall though like you very much!

lsd989@yahoo.com 6 pts

I have alot of respect for Aviva.  She is a role model for many of us .   God bless you Aviva.   My Friend lost her log in a Motorcyle accident and I have alot of respect for strong women.  Don't let those women bully you.  And going to St. Bartts on that lil plane was very brave of you... Best of health... 

Lulu_Badudu 12 pts

 lsd989@yahoo.com

 I don't think she's a role model for anyone.  People who behave like she does and expects her phobias to be the main focus for anyone who wants to be her friend only makes other people with anxiety and phobias look bad. 

llsprek 23 pts

My mother was an amputee and I applaud what you do with your charity.  You are an inspiration.  Thank you for being on the show and sharing your message.  You may want to review previous seasons episodes to familiarize yourself with Ramona and Sonja... they are quite crazy and ridiculous.  I've personally hoped each season that they are gone.

rhoindy 26 pts

i can't wait for tonight's episode - the teaser tells all already, that you are going to tell the 2 blonde bombed-shells words that a nation of RHONYC watchers have been waiting so long to hear!

and wasn't heather right - you have been playing too close to the ramona fire (+ sidekick) and just think, you almost got sucked into it yourself....)  but things do backfire, but in a way that gets something rather key out into the open: white trash with too much cash, flash & splash (the pinot, of course) is a toxic mix of fame for 2 super-conservative attention-addicted gals who live with the "wild abandon"  and sophistication of a couple of naive & mouthy 16 year olds from smallville, anywhere.

 

Barbarajean 852 pts

Aviva, In a prior post I said how glad I was that you told off Sonja & Ramona. While I still am glad I am seeing you in a different light. You seem to get angry very easily and then go on a rant if you disapprove of whats been said. You butchered Heather and now these other ladies. Before you know it Luann and Carole will come under your rath. These women don't owe you one thing when it comes to you being afraid of flying. Just because you went to college and Vassar doesn't make you the smartest woman, it really just made you a snob. by you throwing it out to Sonja. You aren't the center of attention so get over it and things will be ok.

lisae7188 34 pts

Still think my girl Heather was remiss in not inviting Ramona on the UK trip? Got hit with the crazy stick yourself, I see.

Foley728 91 pts

If your fear of flying was really about being afraid of a crash, you'd be worried about you and your husband leaving your children parentless.  Many years ago, parents often flew separately to protect their children.  One parent reached the destination safely, and the other flew the next day.

Nieves 10 pts

Aviva, the two women you are the friendliest with aren't your biggest supporters. Be careful with the company you keep. Although you may think they are your friends action speak louder then words. Besides you, Heather and Carole are the normal down to earth women on that show. I couldn't agree with you more regarding your statement on "Women in their 40s and 50s should have evolved to a place of kindness, compassion, and decency, having had children and some life experience."

AshleyNewOrleans 37 pts

You are taking what they were trying to say WAY to harsh. It was a girls trip. Understandably, they would want only girls. They wanted a week of partying. It is not the same when you add one person's husband to the mix. This is not something for you to get this upset about. No on spoke ill of you or him. I thought they were funny and looked like they were having a great time. Especially Luann and the man she obviously brought back to the house. Calm down and relax.

CaptainMurfy 333 pts

 AshleyNewOrleans

 AshleyNewOrleans: I couldn't agree with you more! Her expectations were insane tonight.  Demanding that they thank Reid was fine, but demanding that they throw their arms around him and roll out the red carpet was crazy! Nobody's ever going to treat Reid the way that Aviva doesn, because Reid is not their husband. That you line of thinking was strange.  I also hated the awkward and awful position that she put Carol in with the Me or them demand.  Now THAT'S rude! Carol had nothing to do with Reid conversation!

hwfan12 1032 pts

These women have shown you a lot of patience and understanding.  You should try doing the same for them instead of calling them names and looking down at them for having fun at St. Barths.  You need to lighten up and DON'T BRING YOUR HUSBAND ON GIRLS TRIPS! 

Saykavka 606 pts

Hey doll, you will learn not to pay attention to crazy Ramona and Sonja they together are CRAZY do not let them move your energy, you have a wonderful husband, love you both!

Rita-la 460 pts

I saw an interview with Aviva yesterday in which she said that she wasn't on speaking terms with Ramona or Sonja since this trip. I went back and re-read Aviva's blog and now I can see more where her anger is coming from. It's going to be a wild Reunion.

njb 16 pts

While I agree that Ramona and Sonja was and, usually is out-of-line, it's hard to be sympathetic with you Aviva. It was okay for you not to invite LuAnn and Heather to Florida, but not for Heather to exclude Ramona to London. It was okay for you to be a part of the gossip about LuAnn's boyfriend, but they were wrong for having Ramona do a blind taste testing on her own wine. Would you want to buy a product that the manufacturer does not recognize or like? But mostly, during your righteous indignation meltdown of how you were treated at St. Barths, it seems that you would have garnered an ounce of empathy for what Heather has endured from Ramona.

jhazm 245 pts

I think that the girls are entitled to not be happy that Reid was joining but they are not entitled to express their displeasure to Carole or Aviva.  A good guest would simply put up with it, as having him around for two days out of five really isn't that big of a deal.  The girls were acting very entitled - put off that they would actually have to compromise and accommodate someone else's needs for a change.  (Aviva's need to have her husband travel with her.)  That was obnoxious of them.  But as far as I can see, they didn't express their displeasure to Carole or Aviva, they simply discussed it among themselves.  I think the private discussion was fine.  The problem is when someone told Aviva about the private discussion.   I would have kept that to myself.  If I have a conversation among friends I would feel betrayed if one of those friends went and blabbed.  I also think Carol should take a stand because she is the hostess.  She should have made it clear that Reid is welcome to stay in the house or that Reid should stay in a hotel.  If it was clear then there would have been no need to discuss what to do with Reid when he arrived.  In some ways I think Aviva is being too sensitive.  She should try to see the girls' perspective instead of being so quick to be offended.  My main issue with Aviva is that while she is lovely and I do like her, she is also quite judgmental.  However, I can see how she became angry once she found out that the girls conspired to make Reid feel unwelcome.  That's when she became protective of her loved one and who wouldn't?  If my friends gathered to discuss kicking out my husband and thus making him feel unwelcome, my loyalty gene would kick in and I would protect my husband.

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jhazm 245 pts

 maderma True.  But Luann didn't wait until the show was going to air to tell Aviva about the conversation.  She told Aviva when she arrived.  For me that shows that Luann can't be trusted, she will out you behind your back.