Carole Radziwill

Carole recaps the season so far, address LuAnn's comments, and has some questions for what's yet to come.

on Aug 7, 20120

Vanity, Pride and Prejudice
Harry is back! Woo-Hoo! And everyone at our Le Cirque table has slept with him, including Jacques and the blonde sommelier.

Dinner was a little. . .awkward. Wasn't it? And I'm not just talking about my hair. Mario and Jacques played "Yes you did, No I didn't" and LuAnn. . .well, LuAnn is not an Aborigine.

 

Sigh. The term "Indian" is a pejorative term, here and in Canada, too. I have Indian friends. Ranjana and Naeem are Indians, they're from India. Luann's just messing with me, right? She has to be. Columbus thought he landed in India and called the people he saw Indians. He didn't and they're not. They're Native Americans. It's not complicated.

It seems to me that LuAnn calls attention to her background not out of pride but out of vanity. Pride is about your opinion of yourself. Vanity is how you would like others to see you. In this case LuAnn wants people to think she is exotic, so she refers to her background without knowing much about it. We have a shameful past with Native Americans in this country -- we nearly annihilated the native population and have a long history of negative stereotypes and discrimination toward them. Call me crazy, but I think jokes about scalping and rape and pillage are inappropriate.

No one uses "darling" anymore but I can because I am an Indian? WHAAAAAT?!?

312 comments
berry_interesting@
berry_interesting@

Aghh...   Last to the party!! Always....lol

Carole, don't let this show eat you up, you are better than that.

And don't be disrespectful to  Aviva,  The downside of that ; she becomes classier than you.

Okay, I'll say it.....  Aviiva IS classier than all of you.

That being said,  have a wild season!  oox

bunnymunro
bunnymunro

Goodness people! she is more scottish than she is indian! why doesnt she ever talk about that?

I cant believe even native americans here on the blog calling it her "heritage".

What tribe is she from? she doesnt have a clue about any of it, like Carole said it is all for exotic sake and she is all style and no substance.

Carole just once next season, try to talk to her about contemporary art or something cultural and lets see.

Clara1230
Clara1230

Carole, you are a "friend in my head"...you are quite easy going, no fuzz, no drama, just a cool, down to earth person, love your style lady.   Among the desperate,  attention hungry women this season, you are unphased by the cameras, your humor is tops.   Ramona has unhinged, and needs more attention than a 2 year old, or maybe, just more Pinot.... FTW.

rj.mish
rj.mish

Thank you Carole for making not only the table full of non-Indians that the correct term is Native American, but also the viewing population.  LuAnn confirmed the stereotypes that we as Native people have been trying to change for years.  She was embarrassing, portraying us as whooping, bloodthirsty savages.  I thank you for standing up for me, and all Native Americans. You're wonderful.

gritslsu
gritslsu

Your amazing, gracious, calm, & down-to-earth! You are a affable & I am impressed time and again how poised you are around such train-wrecks. It's admirable & impressive. You are awesome & keep it real! Definitely one of my favorites!

unomas66
unomas66

I LOVE the way you are able to convey, so simplistically, the most appropriate (even though that's subjective) summary of things...so accurately, and when they are read I feel like, "YES.. that's exactly what happened, and that's so dead on!"  and you are not yelling, interrupting, being rude or unkind, or misrepresenting anyone including yourself.  You're a very likable person in all kinds of ways... the show is so lucky to have you and we are lucky to learn about you and your interesting life.  You are the kind of personality that is so wonderful and enjoyable to encounter in life.  I love your realness... your unpretentiousness and intelligence.  You would have been the girl in high school I would have gravitated towards to hang with... and love that you are everything a couple of these other losers on the show (um, maybe some of the blonds)... are not. You are real and I hope Bravo is smart enough to realize they don't need obnoxious and annoying to pull ratings!!!  Thanks for doing this show Carole!  Feel lucky to get a glimpse into your life and what your life story is about; you're a pretty interesting woman! 

tricia.l.edwards.1
tricia.l.edwards.1

the m&m's and pizza idea?  quite fabulous.  you have my vote, once again, as most favored.

 

by the way, you do smudge after all that toxicity walks out of your home, right?

chelmama
chelmama

I love having Carole on the show.  So far she is the most rational, calming one.  She takes things with a grain of salt and seems to want everyone to get along and have a good time.  Carole, you should teach classes on your behavior to some of the other girls.  They definitely need some help!

LadyK2507
LadyK2507

Carole you are cool but really stop harping on LuAnn, that crap is old!  You really have no real beef with her except you don't like some of her ways which can be ignored.

real1housewife
real1housewife

Carole,

You are the only normal, rational woman on the show. Thank You!

gabbyval
gabbyval

Carole, 

I think you are great and are definately a joy to see on the show.  Your blogs are great.

 I do think you over reacted with Luann this week.  Dont be so up tight and bring yourself to the level of looking for problems like the rest of the bunch.  Your down to earth personality is why people enjoy you. Try not to become a house wife looking for issues.   Indian American is not an insult, especially when one is speaking about their own heritage.  As far as the other remarks , they were made because of the big deal you made out of saying that. The band you liked was far more offensive in retrospect yet no one is bashing the fact you felt they were great  no matter how in appropriate they were.   You had an issue with Luann and now are just trying to find issues since then.  In fact it has made you look like the petty one so please try to not get pulled into that drama.  We already have been pleased with the carefree attitude you have brought to the show. I hope this doesnt continue and we were incorrect in loving those qualities we have come to believe you have.

lovesucks123
lovesucks123

Carole,

 

Bought your book Saturday at 2:00 PM and couldn't put it down until I finished it at 10:00 PM that night. I could completely relate to your philosophy on "Fortune" and the heart break of cancer and illness.

 

My mother  developed cancer when I was 24 years old, at 26  I went in for a day surgery and everything went wrong and I almost died, and as soon as I got out of the hospital my family told me while I was in ICU, with a 30% chance of surviving, that my father had been dx with advanced stage prostate cancer. Over the course of seven years, I worked, got married (mainly because my parents felt they couldn't die until I had someone), and spent most of  my free time doing research on cancer, taking my parents to doctors, staying in the hospital with my lap top - to keep my job -   dealing with surgeries, chemo and radiation,and  life threatening  infections from their lack of immunity.

 

 My parents died less than one year apart. My now, ex husband's s parents had illnesses and passed away as well during this time.  Our marriage didn't stand a chance. We stayed together for 15, including our one year of dating.

 

I read your book and kept thinking how did  she cope with all this. Then I  thought, how did I cope with all this?  

 

I don't think you ever get over the trauma of watching your parents or significance other die a slow painful death or people you love that die to soon, like your dear friends.

 

I am thankful that you were on this season because I'd never had read your book. Love does suck because when you lose it you lose a piece of yourself. But I am remarried and despite the risk you put on your heart, it is worth it.

 

You are a breathe of fresh air to this franchise.         

cathybiamonte
cathybiamonte

Carole, I just read your book in two days (I have no food in the fridge, and my kid changed out of his PJ's just before my husband got home, both days.)  I never read a housewife's blog before but here I am. You're pretty funny, and your story is really cool.

 

Keep doing what you're doing! 

Netters8178
Netters8178

Carole.........what a breath of fresh air.  Thank you for calling "The Countess" out her overt pompous attitude.  You make me laugh and smile.  I was in NYC about 4 years ago, stayed in the West Village and LOVED IT.  Not surprised that you enjoy that "neighborhood" of the city.  I get it.  Best to you, and thank you, for keeping it real, "daaaahhhling.."  LBT in CA.

 

irishjohnny05
irishjohnny05

Carole, I like your blog entries -- they are funny and clever.  I also think you are a genuine and sweet person.  For example, you accompanied Heather to her telly appearance even though you were knackered.  Perhaps you can find it in your heart to help Heather once again by reading over her blog entries before she sends them. 

native.mommy2
native.mommy2

Carole,

Your list made me laugh! So funny. Anywho, I like your expression "friend hopper". Stay classy.

CalGalPS
CalGalPS

Thanks so much for telling Luann, we like to be called Native Americans!!!  You were right and she was wrong!!

samantha.adams.77128
samantha.adams.77128

Finally, a witty smart, true blog, from someone who does not feel the need to apoligize to anyone on the show....its just refreshing.

RonStone
RonStone

I find it incredibly pretentious - one might even say classless - for someone with neither blood nor heritage to announce that the Gods of Political Correctness have decreed that someone who grew up thinking she was part "Indian" is wrong not to use 'Native American".   I am Muskogee Wind Clan documented back to the 1600's (look it up if you don't know what that means - start with "Alexander McGillivray") and I have never been nearly as bothered by "American Indian" as I am by poseurs like you.

TNM
TNM

Ahhh Carole, while you are right about the Countless, you are not about the word Indian. I am an Indian, American Indian, or Native. When I am with Indians, I am Kalapuya. My kids are Native American, they grew up with that term. I grew up in the sixties. My Grandfather is a survivor an Indian boarding school. I was a teenager praying for the Warriors at Wounded Knee and Alcatraz. I remember when they put Leonard in prison. We were Indians then, we had a cause, we had the American Indian Movement, aka AIM. We Elders were born Indian, we will die Indian, as did Those before us. We don't think Columbus was as stupid as most historians do, we don't think he believed he was in India, we think he found us to be Of God, With God, In God,  En Dio, Indian. But Lulu is Of something else altogether. Do you know she dressed as an "Indian" for Halloween??  I had no idea any one was that ignorant in this day and age, and then I saw a picture of Theresa of the New Jersey. So keep trying Carole, just do a little more homework. Masi

 

Goddess_Krystle
Goddess_Krystle

Ur funny , but clearly threatened by Luann and it seems you have a crush on Reid . He's the only one on Watch What Happens Live that you were weird about. Hmmm/:0|

kmsc1970
kmsc1970

Definitely a creative and refreshing blog. Carole, you bring some much-needed intelligence and class to the show. Thanks for putting the "real" back in the RHONY.

MirePoix
MirePoix

Best blog by a housewife--EVER!

hawaiikaihousewife
hawaiikaihousewife

You're a great addition and love how you are not pretentious...however I can't quite understand how you would like ramona! Love everything about you except for that aspect. Btw, I didn't know the term American Indian was offensive! I guess I can tell my hubby to get off my back that watching bravo shows is killing my brain cells...I learned something new today.

Raeshelle
Raeshelle

The most creative blog since Housewives came to fruition!!  PLEASE keep calling LuAnne on her B.S.  She is so far removed from reality it's scarey and she wants to bring another child into the world!  I believe she is in age denial.  It's really sad once you get beyond her better then thou attitude and realize its coming from fear.

andrew.saltz.58
andrew.saltz.58

It’s funny to me that people come on these blogs  post bitches about how one cast member  was mean to another cast member,  that cast member is fake or not classy,  this cast member can do no wrong and they are above that cast member.  These shows are about women who fight with one another and the comments are witty, funny and most of the time rude. You have to take this for face value, pure entertainment!  

The thing I like about Carole is that she knows this about the show and plays into it without taking it or herself too seriously. She takes it with a grain of salt and for what it is, in other words she lets her mean girl out and has fun with it. Which some people who comment on this blog don’t seem to understand this and thinks this is actually how these ladies act all the time in life. They try to pass judgment and act like they know who they really are. This is a TV show and you see what the producers want you to see.

 The thing about the Indian comments about Luann was funny!  Understanding that Carole’s best friends are from India she might be coming from a mind set of Indians or from India and Native Americans are from America. Neither Native American nor Indian is exactly accurate. My grandparents are both full Native American and that is what they prefer to be called. So each their own and who cares. Luann is a joke half the time anyway and if you want to be judgmental I would say the savage thing or the “hey how are you chant” of hers was the only thing somewhat offensive of the whole conversation.

BonCast
BonCast

You rock.  I agree with you 100% about your statements about Louann. Luv your blogs.

Lynnie05
Lynnie05

OMG another mean girl picking on LuAnn? Have you watched the show? Carole...you are great. I love your addition to the show, you say it like you see it and you are spot on. You admitted to being attracted to crazy, which is what Ramona is. You said if you were an adult you would talk to LuAnn about her annoying habbits but you aren't so you did the same thing back to her but only in a obviously ridiculous way. I laughed my *** off. LuAnn deserves it, the ironic thing is that she will never get it. She will not see that you are reacting to her actions and words. LuAnn comes off as the one-upper. I really don't care who agrees or not. She is above her own rules and guidelines and has no respect for anyone's opinions or feelings on anything. However, she always wants everyone to respect how she feels and what she thinks, the poor thing (dripping sarcasm). Keep it up, I look forward to more honest words and actions from you. I get your humor and I love it.

Lmg6565
Lmg6565

Although many viewers call you "judgmental", you rarely say anything that the rest of us aren't thinking. It almost appears as if you have entered the group as a viewer yourself, rather then a participant, like you don't want to disturb the natural order of disfunction. I happen to appreciate your role, as the show does not need another member who gets repeatedly sucked into the madness. Also, if the cast seems surprised, or caught of guard by your comments, it is only because you are saying something that requires them to actually think about what they just said. Best of luck with the outcome.

wallstreetgal
wallstreetgal

Hi Carole,

I think you're fabulous.  You are the single GREATEST ADDITION TO THIS SHOW!!!!  

 

I love you're writing, your style, your personality and finally--somebody who gives it right back to the superior crazy lunatic Countess.  I love your down to earth personality. 

 

For sheer comedy you could ask the countess (the classy one-upster queen bee) to sing at your next party with the band who so cheerfully played last week. (I want to F#4X you!)  

 

 

liz.regan1
liz.regan1

Anyone who can put Luann in her place is OK in my book...

lemisanthrope
lemisanthrope

I grew up in Oklahoma and there's actually a significant native population there and I can assure you, of all the options available, they prefer Indian over Native American because collectively they identify more with an ironic sense of humor than they do with assigning the Eurocentric term "American" to the land they used to share with each other. See, they're Asian by blood. They got here before the America contingent got here. While i respect your fight, Carole, I think you don't know what you're talking about. On the other hand, they laugh like hell at LuAnn and all the "1/16thers," or as they call them...white people.

l4k28k85
l4k28k85

LOVE. You seem very cool, relaxed, down to earth, kind hearted, & fun loving. Definitely someone I would hang out with! :)

pdxvespagirl
pdxvespagirl

As others have noted, the term "Indian" has been reclaimed by many native peoples and "American Indian" is now totally acceptable and even preferred by many from our native tribes. In fact, as a social worker here in ultra-political Portland, Oregon,  I hear American Indian or even just "Indian" much more from local tribal advocacy groups than I do "Native American." 

 

Frankly, using a general blanket term for the many different tribes/tribal nations is often frowned upon regardless of what term you choose.  

 

So whatever, Carol. 

patricia.fiorilla
patricia.fiorilla

 @LadyK2507I don't think Carole in harping on LuAnn she is just stating a fact.  LuAnn has that "I'm better than you attitude"  And Darrrrrrrrrling that can't be ignored.

 

Cari__Leffew
Cari__Leffew

 @Netters8178

 No hating on LuAnne. Carole doesn't, why should you? >: (  How unclassy. "Daaaahling." Every single one of them do that, Sonja, Ramona, Heather...need I go on? Even the Housewives of fricken New Jersey do it!!!!! It's reality TV...it's fake! LMAO!

unomas66
unomas66

 @RonStone see my first comment... but how does that fit the bill of "pretentious"?  she is anything but that.  she was attempting to do the very opposite of what you are accusing her of, no?  Maybe I'm not seeing this correctly...

Paigeone
Paigeone

 @@seasonedviewer7

 Carole should research her own terminology before responding to someone that they are saying something incorrectly and and saying even a third graders knows that. Carole is wrong in this instance we do prefer to be called American Indians and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Very few of us refer to ourselves as Native Americans, a term coined ages ago for text books. The one coming off pretenious and rude in this situation was Carole. 

Paigeone
Paigeone

 @hawaiikaihousewife

 As an American Indian I can honestly say that we do not find the term offensive and Carole was out of line trying to embaress Luann and put her down in front of others for  using the wrong terminology when in fact she should have done her own research

Paigeone
Paigeone

 @TXSongbird

 I am American Indian and personally did not find Luanns actions as offensive at all. i took them for what they were, a joke and a way to poke at Carole for being such a b**** about ther term Luann chose to describe her own heritage

clptexas
clptexas

 @andrew.saltz.58

 This blog is entertainment too.  I would say you are taking yourself alittle too serious but I don't actually know you so I would hate to pass judgement.     

MomLeader
MomLeader

 @Lmg6565

 to "Lmg6565" what an entertaining and insightful blog,,,hard to have that mix and remain "true." Brilliant:  "disturb the natural order of disfunction"....Perfect...Thank you....

MJTA
MJTA

 @pdxvespagirl Well said!! I would think that with Carol's supposed journalistic background she would check her facts first before calling someone out on national television about the word they prefer to use  regarding their origin. You owe Luann an apology. Did Luann behave poorly when she did the war cry "yes", but she did it because she was pissed at how Carol was acting and was essentially thumbing her nose at her. By the was I didn't see any comments from Carol about Sonja saying that "Luann's family won't scalp you, they will burn down your house and ..." (I couldn't understand the rest). I found that more offensive than what Luann did.

Paigeone
Paigeone

 @irsh67

 who exactly is Luann supposedly using in this scenario?

jayson.smith.104
jayson.smith.104

 @Rye You're wrong. The Greeks referred to Sub-continentals as Indians as the civilization began in the INDUS valley, the origin of SINDHI, HINDU, HINDUSTHAN/HINDUSTAN, HINDI, HINDUSTHANI, INDIC...etcetera, etcetera comes from that era.  Tribes rarely have self-referentials..it's like imagine you lived on an isolated island by yourself, what would your name be? You wouldn't need one. The Frankish people who today are the French were named by the German people who were named by the French. Both names arose from the weapon of choice used in battle. As in "Oh no, here come those dudes with Javelins again!" One should learn at least 5 languages before deciding historical patterns have been deduced. A little learning is a dangerous thing, and Folk Etymologies are easy to create.