To quote The Office: "Secrets (secrets) are no fun. Secrets (secrets) hurt someone."
And there was a whole lot of whispering going on this episode. From Lydia trying to secretly prod folks into friendship, to secret nicknames, to secret guests, to secrets about said secret guest, this episode was a Russian nesting doll full of surprises and twists. Let's examine as best we can.
Lydia in the Middle
We open with Lydia trying to see if her healing tendencies can work again. She's already done the unthinkable and healed the cosmic rift between Tamra and Alexis, can lightening strike twice with Alexis and Heather? She hopes, because she's throwing a Lydia-style shindig with silliness and costumes (and hopefully some armpit farts), and she simply won't allow Heather to bow out because Alexis will be there. Instead, why don't they just get together and discuss their issues? The friendship whisperer's trap is set -- but will it catch two BFFs4EVA?
Speaking of friends, Tamra and Vicki are back on bestie status and seeing their Wines by Wives labels in action. The ladies are prepping mentally for the next big theme party in Orange County. . .Vicki is hoping that the party will be sans the dirt under her fingernails that is Gretchen. Tamra is hoping Vicki can avoid putting her lip up if Gretchen's name is mentioned. Well, since Vicki' is, in her own assessment, perfect, it seems like this party should go off without incident. And Brooks won't even be there to cause drama. . .or will he?
This show has renewed my interest because of --- Tamra speaking to Alexis one-on-one; Heather and Alexis also speaking one-on-one. They don't have to be best buds but it is nice to see that they can treat each other with respect.
It is way past time for Bravo to ask Vicki to leave. She is so boring. She never surprises--always "me, me, me." It is not the Vicki Show, contrary to what Vicki seems to think (see her comments made for the airing of the 100th episode). I can't believe she has been on so long!
Bravo, please help!
Lydia, it seems that you want to repair friendships just to stir the pot yourself. You seem to be lil miss innocent but you have revealed how sneaky you are. Slade is a radio personality and he means no harm by making others laugh. Cheeseburger isn't an insult, he complimented you. Maturity is what you should seek.
I like Lydia. Her upfront addressing of the cheeseburger comment makes perfect sense. She was embrassed (perhaps), annoyed (perhaps) and possibly she harbors some secret dislike for (mean girl) Gretchen who was a traitor to Alexis. Cracking jokes about someones weight is never a good idea. Even if you mean well there is always a chance for misunderstanding. Let's face it. It is the OC and body image is everything.
I finally figured out what Gretchen and Slade have in common. Watch every scene closely.....they insist on being the center of attention even if it takes silly, sometimes rude comments to do it. That is why Gretchen and Tamra's friendship is doomed. Tamra is the queen of making it all about her, so a blowup will happen sooner or later.
They need to get rid of Gretchen, Slave, Lydia and Lauri. It is pretty obvious that Lauri did lie about Vicki. Lauri hasn't blogged since that episode. Just like on RHOBH, Faye, Adrienne, Kyle... they all quit blogging when they got busted.
I realize Gretchen & Slade are not well liked, I can't stomach Gretchen at all this season! But I have to say, Lydia over reacted and they clearly believed they were complimenting her. There was no malicious intent and for Lydia to bring up issues Slade had with Vicki was over the top!
promotepeace It has nothing to do with not being liked -just opinions of ones behavior. I don't think Slade had malicious intent either but to put his hand over his mouth and quietly speak to Gretchen about Lydia when you are in the company of others and Lydia standing right there is rude to do no matter what he said.So she said what did you say cause she did hear her name. Maybe he was being nasty or thinking he could intimidate her but she came back at him and he tried to cover up his remarks but only made things worse by making fun of fatness instead of thinness
I think Slade has too much of a roving eye and was acting like a silly school boy around Lydia thinking he was cute.
ivette.lopez.37625 macnmac promotepeace Ivette--have you ever been in the company of a person doing that to you or in your presence ? I have and its very uncomfortable and unsettling and just plain rude. In her case she heard her name and in mine I could not hear anything as the whispering was so quiet behind her hand to her husband and me and my husband were sitting in a booth at table together with them. Its something never do to people and no one should to anyone. We are adults not kids on a playground.
@macnmac @ivette.lopez.37625 @promotepeace this has nothing to do with your experience everyone could hear what was said. It was his lame attempt at humor not as lame as Laurie saying Lydia had a hollow leg but Lydia was fine with that. She was looking for a fight with these two specific people she has an agenda.
macnmac ivette.lopez.37625 promotepeace Comments about weight are usually offensive whether it is about someone being thin or heavy, intended as a joke or not. The cheeseburger reference is not original - it is a common insult directed at people thought to be too skinny. It was not likely intended as a compliment, and obviously it was not taken as one. Slade was rude and should have apologized. Lydia was rude to humiliate him and make an ordeal out of it in front of all of the guests. It was even more rude for her to bring up past incidences that did not even involve her. She could have just let it pass out of consideration of her guests and if she still found the cheeseburger bothersome the next day she could have called him or met him somewhere to tell him she didn't appreciate the remark. She is obnoxious in every episode.
Karianne macnmac ivette.lopez.37625 promotepeace
it strange how people like ivette love it when there is someone being talked about. She always jumps on the side of the ones who instigate the turmoil.
A very unhappy girl/lady you are....very angry and condescending. Loves the hate....
what's that about ??????
Karianne....that came out of nowhere for Lydia. She doesn't mind laughing at herself about her weight...her pet peeve apparently is people whispering when you are right there. For the first time my BFF we disagree. I think Lydia had more than the right to bust Slade right then and there. We have heard and read so much about him and his name is not good in the OC. He is very disrespectful and is the only man on the show to act the way he does. Not even Jim bashed the ladies for the hurt they caused Alexis.
She had just told Gretchen about how this infuriated her and then the very next week here were the same people (add Slade) doing it.
I think the "whisper" thing has to do with her mom's smoking though. We all have something we cant stand. Mine are "bullies" (inferential). There are a lot of women who can't stand men who talk down or belittle women. She just wanted to take her stand so that both Gretchen and Slade knew she would not tolerate disrespect.
You know I love you and am not trying to argue on a hostile way, why do you dislike her so much ?
Neszoe Karianne macnmac ivette.lopez.37625 promotepeace
Neszoe - you are right on...whispering in anybody's ear is just bad manners when you are at a table with people - it signifies that somehting is being quielty commented on that is not meant for others to hear. it's okay at a library or a church ...where solitude and quiet behavior is required and you're asking for a kleenex or something inconsequential. If we placed ourselves at a table..Woud we whiseper about someone's thinness? Probably not - if that was meant to be a compliment - he can keep it - She did not receive it that way. It was a dumb comment and an unusual one for a man to make ...And instead of him apologizing after she questioned what he was whispering about. and he saw she was hurt by it ..(I don't think Lydia heard his comment and was taken aback - she felt to whisper was inappropriate). By making the comment about giving her a chesseberger or that she needed a chesseburger - says you are DAMN YOU ARE TOO THIN . He could have said - you look great. Then the moron contnues to patronize her instead of apologizng - that was his second offense. Sorry folks but Slade acts like an ass alot of the times. EverytimeI i think back - when he is shopping with Heather for an engagement ring --- without the means to buy one --- AND mentoining that he could buy Gretchen a cubic zirconia - i just want to clobber him....
Neszoe macnmac ivette.lopez.37625 promotepeace Neszoe - I didn't take your comments in a hostile way at all. I always enjoy your well-reasoned posts. As always, you make some good points. I don't care for Lydia because of her confrontational approach to problem resolution. Especially when it is an issue between others and doesn't involve her. It's not that I have a problem with her being straight-forward or standing up for herself, but I think sometimes she can choose a more appropriate time and place - the salsa party incident is just one example. It isn't much different than Heather having her diva fit over the bow being eaten off of her cake. It was rude for a guest to do it, but that was overshadowed by the host's overblown reaction. Lydia can (and does) handle situations whatever way she wants, of course, but it is a major turn off for me. I think she should pick her battles a little better (this one is legitimate imo, but once she put Slade on notice about muttering under his breath to Gretchen, the rest could have waited to be addressed at another time). Personally, I wouldn't spend much time around someone who does it repeatedly as she does. I think it makes for tense social gatherings. Not that I am defending Slade in any way, shape or form. I just think she made an ugly situation uglier than what was necessary. I find myself agreeing with you on most issues and when we agree to disagree I always appreciate that you give me a different perspective to consider. Keep on preaching it, my BFF!
ivette.lopez.37625 macnmac promotepeace
Being a christian doesn't mean you are perfect - please stop bringing up her claim to be a christian when you disgree with her opinions or actions...she does not claim to be perfect. Having bad manners and poor etiquitte are learned behavior taught by our parents and society and what is acceptable and NOT. .I agree that she should not have heightened the drama but once again when there is alcohol in play people have a tendency to lose their persepctive. Slade started the nonsense and didn't neutralize it ( becasue he's an idiot) and Lydia became angry and reacted to it. Two wrongs don't make a right - but Slade has contributed to a lot of contraversy on this show.
If it's true that he affected vickie to feel that she needed to have surgery to improve her appearance ( honestly thought Vickie was a pretty lady from the start) - then shame on him and shame on vickie for letting some low life influence her to dratstic measures for no good reason....
ivette.lopez.37625 promotepeace I thought Vicki and Brooks were just straining their ears to try and hear what was going on and being said. But didn't you hear what Slade said about the Miss Piggy that he did not say that and its what was being said on the internet and we know darn well what Slade did last season about Vicki and Ms Piggy and it was mean. So it must have really bothered her that she did have a nose job done. And Lydia said something to the affect "oh I get it! "That" is how you are. And "that"was the end of their conversation.
I have a question (I did not really watch the first season or so). Is Gretchen Slade's third or fourth OC housewife? Anyone?
great blog....I say, give the new gril a medal for pinning the Donkey's ass...he's had it coming for a long time...this girl is quirky , pretty, sweet, funny and SMART She is NO pushover...
AND as far as the tea party ...all I can say is "restraining oneself " is a virture - because if I was on the other end of the chamomile - I would not have been SO calm....the Icequeen loves to push peoples buttons...especially towards those she feels superior to...Terry? Alexis? ...Alexis will just have to kill that pitbull with kindess....Sorry for what's headed Vickie's way...sounds like everyone's warnings had merit... HMMM wonder if Gretchen will feel vindicated finally - after Vickie's heart is torn out of her chest? And what about Laurie will she finally receive her revenge, afterall it's her daughter's friend who has been keeping Brooks company? And, what was her "friend's' occupation? Did we hear that right? Coincidental?
as I have said before you are the "bomb" .....straight forward and insightful. Maybe this is what needed to happen so that Vicky will see the light about Brooks. It probably would have happened long ago if everyone would have just let it play out. Let's just hope.
Lydia, you seemed to be looking for something to use as an issue against Slade & Gretchen and all you got was a harmless cheeseburger joke. Well the joke is on you because you came off like a pretentious middle schooler. Maybe a doobie would help?
How come Gretchen didn't react to Slade's comment to Lydia? since Gretchen said she struggled with an "Eating disorder" in college. Thanks Lydia for Malibu Barbie! She is so Fake.
I like how slade told George that he and laurie never technically dated. they just hooked up. couldn't even fininsh watching that scene. Slade needs to be gone and laurie should have never come back
viewer111 Be glad you didn't finish watching the scene - you missed Terry Dubrow following up with questions about how Lauri was in bed and how Gretchen is in bed.
she is an iconic beautiful doll that we strive to be when we work out. It wasn't something to get that offended by.
Wasn't it so gross for Slade to brag to Terry about sleeping with Laurie. Then Terry was asking him about Gretchen in bed. Gross. Those two are pigs. -Wonder if Terry got a timeout for this?
I thought the same thing, How can people even watch this pig on television anymore, and Terry lost me last year when he called Alexis fake.
Looks like Terry may have been thinking of Gretchen unbeknownst to his loving wife.... I wonder if this will pull on Gretchen's and Heather's relationship. You know women blame their husband's but they began to really watch and blame the woman as well.
Tamra, Vicki & Heather have met their match! Lydia seems sweet on the surface but don't look at her crosseyed. She lashed out at Slade and overreacted to his comment. Lighten up Lydia!
Would Bravo please please please get rid of Slade. Women don't like him and women are your audience. Gretchen - boot her out along with Slade..... Both of them are nasty and fake. How on earth did Slade get so much time on the RHOOC?! We don't find him facinating - he's a bully and a bore and whenever he is shown - well he leaves a very bad taste behind....
ivette.lopez.37625 C... yes lydia has no problem choosing sides and sticking to em even though she was no where around when the original actions went down. she needs to keep her easily opinionated jumping to conclusions mouth shut, i hate it when people say things like, " oh i see who you are." when they've know a person for a minute. judgemental and high handed much?
mauneen ivette.lopez.37625 C... I have never heard the expression 'I see who you are' before but I like it!!
mauneen ivette.lopez.37625 C...
Lydia hasn't just seen minutes of a certain behavior and dialogue... Sorry I'm not trying to be coy - but truthful. You have to admit that Gretchen is out of sorts this season and she has kept Lydia at arm lengths...why? probably becasue she is a friend of her EX-BFF. Guilt can make a person feel very defensive and she has been that way towards lydia for some time...My impression is that being that gretchen and Slade live together that probably gives lydia the understanding that they have discussed things about her (Lydia and the latest events...that hve angered gretchen. This party was on the heels of the Mexico trip. We are only see what editing allows...but there is alot you can still read between the lines..and I belive that is what Lydia refers to - when she comments about " i see who you are." One "show" is for the camera and the other is Real..... I'm one of the fans that is happy that somebody (Lydia) has shut down Slades show....
What show have you been watching, Slade has been on since season 1. And its time for Slade, Gretchen, Tamara, Eddie, Heather and Terry to GO!!!
it was so nice to see Lydia put him in his place. Can't stand that dude. I'll bet the next time he has some sly comment to make while talking about someone behind their back in their face loud enough to be heard he will think twice. This lady is no push over and stands her grounds. He needed to just shut up.
Lydia seems to have an agenda. It is becoming clear that this is to alienate Gretchen from the group one by one.
If Lydia was that concerned about bringing Alexis back into the fold why didn't she start with Gretchen? That would have made more sense since Alexis claimed Gretchen was the one who she considered her friend and felt hurt about losing their friendship.
Lydia, you are becoming obvious.
She tried to encouraging Gretchen weeks ago - when she commented that Alexis was hurt most by gretchen - becasue they were friends - gretchen made a smart comment in return...guess Lydia felt thwarted at tha moment....
I am not getting the part where Lydia is trying to alienate Gretchen..... when has that happened. She invited Gretchen to her party.....she is cordial to her and doesn't have to like her. Gretchen has whispered about her on two occasions now. Tamra's party where the first impression was made and in the limo. And Gretchen has yelled and cursed on two occasions as well. She watched her confront Alexis and treat her bad, then cry because she felt as if she was treated badly.
I would stay away from Gretchen and Slade. Let them do what they do. A quick Hi and Bye.
Neszoe dragonslayer lynnwhitlock Neszoe & dragonslayer- good points - and it was also Lydia who gave Gretchen the card when Slade's son was recovering from brain surgery.
After seeing the situation with Slade and Lydia it took me back to last week in Mexico when Gretchen did the same thing. Slade and Gretchen both have this issue with whispering then when they are called out act so guilty and shocked they got caught, Funny thing is they both got caught by the same person. Lydia will call it as she sees it every time. Kudos to her!!
tinker1972 Gretchen is constantly muttering comments under her breath to others sitting or standing close by. It's not surprising that Slade does it too.
but you have to admit it is annoying. Karianne I know you would not stand for it. Its best to nip it in the bud right then and there. Its hard to ignore if you don't like the person doing it. And yes it can be used as a catalyst for the "and further more" that you didn't like...
Gretchen is always saying if you have issues with Slade direct it at him. She did and Gretchen got involved. No one else jumped in.....
Gretchen has this thing where she thinks she has to jump in and defend people. He should have apologized and she should have stayed out of it.
Neszoe tinker1972 Neszoe - I totally agree - OMG - sooo annoying!. And make no mistake, I think it was appropriate for Lydia to ask Slade (and Gretchen) right then and there about what they whispering about her, but once they responded with an answer I think she should have waited until a more appropriate time to address it further. IMO, just putting them on notice that their whispering was heard and then following up any explanation they gave with silence would have been more effective and probably would have made them deservedly uncomfortable for the rest of the evening. As we are seeing, by over-reacting it took the focus off their rude behavior and drew attention to Lydia, putting her behavior in question. He shouldn't have been cracking jokes about her weight in the first place, but I agree, he definitely should have apologized immediately.
I'm beginning to like the new Tamra a little. I liked the way that she stood up to Gretchen and her junior high remarks. I've never been a huge fan of Alexis but I do like the way she stood her ground with Heather. I'm not fooled by Heather, she is very judgemental, actually she and Gretchen would be great BFF's.
Brooks is a scumbag, any direction that you look at him, ugh.
Lauri needs to GO AWAY....she is a troublemaker, and I have a feeling she isn't happy in her life so she is attempting to bring misery to others.
Lydia, holy cow...settle down!!!!!!!!!!!