Shannon and Heather butt heads at Lizzie's beach house shindig.

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allison.zucosky
allison.zucosky

Heather Dubrow should be ashamed of herself.  Pompous woman that thinks she knows everything and is always right.  Awful behavior and she is in the wrong.  Im with Shannon, she never yelled at her, and a disgrace that she would every throw shannon out of her house.  She should be fired!

mgwagman
mgwagman

    I started watching the Housewives with my wife and we agree that Heather is just pure evil!  Heather lies and tries to manipulate any situation to make herself the "victim".  She condescends to the other ladies, speaks down to others, treats her husband like a child (he is), and is rather mean to her children even.  Not only won't she let her husband have onion rings when he pays for her party and lifestyle.  She even said she didn't like her husband at first when they dated.  She is just a "actress" who works a few days a year and if she didn't marry a doctor she would be a starving actress or a actress/call girl.  Shannon is a good person going through a hard time.  Examples of Heather and her vile character and lies are.

littleredkitty
littleredkitty

I'm with Shannon and Lizzie on this one. Tamara is stirring the pot. Watched her last night on WWHL and she all but admitted that she was a troublemaker. I think Shannon and Heather are both being played. Vicki needs to speak up. And Lizzie is seeing through her BS.

Igirl@84
Igirl@84

Heather just uses the excuse of Shannon 'yelling' so she can divert attention from the issue.  I have never seen Shannon 'yell'.  Maybe people need to talk LOUDER to Heather.  That way, Heather may hear other people instead of herself.

bravolover10
bravolover10

Shannon needs not to be on this show.  She's so selfish she just makes this whole show about her.  It's awful. 

peaceofmymind
peaceofmymind

It's amazing all these comments are aimed at what a psycho Shannon has become or what a Mean Girl Heather is (which I agree with by the way) but the underlying common denominator in all this is TAMARA!!!  She baiting Shannon, who Tamara sees as weak, against Heather.  Watch Tamara expressions every time she's in the room when Heather and Shannon are fighting.  Tamara is a snake and I think it's only a matter of time before she's caught.  Tamara enjoys watching Shannon crumble, and she enjoys watching Heather talk bad of Shannon.  In the restaurant when Heather and Tamara had their Come to Jesus meeting, and made up, Tamara puts Shannon down saying she's a "pathetic soul".  What kind of friend says that?  Vicki needs to speak up and call Tamara out on her lies.  Tamara could be looking at her last friend turn against her.

Boring_housewife
Boring_housewife

Shannon appears to be more and more unstable, no matter who she is with. She may want to ditch the watered down vodka and "natural" therapies and try some Prozac.

MissPuff
MissPuff

Why is Heather always accusing Shannon of "yelling at her"??? I have never (until the end of this clip, EVER heard Shannon yell. So tired of Heather.

Gotchindi
Gotchindi

Shannon and Heather need to sit down with a mediator to straighten things out, neither one keeps they're mouth shut long enough to hear what the other is saying. Even though I have NEVER LIKED VICKI I can see her making an effort to put Tamara in her place. In one scene we see Tamara telling Vicki she's never telling Heather anything again, cut to the next scene at dinner and what is she doing, telling Heather and Terry about taking Shannon and David down, she lives for creating drama. Shannon and David need no help in falling down they're doing a bang up job of that all on they're own.They have no understanding of each other at all. To listen to Vicki about marriage advice is a joke, she has 3 under her belt, if she knew what she was talking about why couldn't she save her own marriage? To take marriage advice from her is like buying your car at Wal Mart. Getting tired of this story line already...

vanessa8690
vanessa8690

Tamra is a very miserable person, and as the saying goes, "Misery loves company!"


Sierra89434
Sierra89434

Shannon acts like a two year old having a temper tantrum when things aren't going her way. She wants to control what other people think of her and/or her marriage? That's just pathetic.

CutieReppinNY
CutieReppinNY

Tamra is a straight-up liar and trouble maker. Vicki admits that Tamra even told her the Dubrow's were trying to take Shannon & David down, which is a complete lie. I don't understand why these women even accept what she says anymore.

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

At first, I felt bad for Shannon and the problems she was having in her marriage. Now, I'm sick of her. She's acting like a whiney cry-baby. All she does is complain. She can't go anywhere without causing some sort of scene and I'm tired of watching it, and hearing about all her problems.

beansie
beansie

Shannon is wackadoodle and she's driving herself even crazier. She needs a big ole intervention from the sane people on the show.  Oh wait. Guess that aint gonna happen. Never been a fan of Heather, but I actually feel sorry for her because Shannon is so delusional and scary.

Faith25
Faith25

And who is always involved in the drama...TAMARA! She bad mouthed Heather to Shannon and Shannon believed every word. Ever opinion Shannon has about Heather she got from Tamra. Tamra was mad at Heather so tried to turn all against her just like she did with Gretchen, Alexis and anyone else she has a problem with. A typical mean girl!

sakibetty
sakibetty

Just because Heather isn't going all crazypants doesn't mean she's handling the situation in a mature, realistic way. She's totally the older sibling that pokes and prods the little sibling until they finally snap and ofcourse it makes the younger look like the crazy one. Heather is manipulating in the sense that her condescending stuck up comments might sound mature to the untrained ear, but really it's just passive aggressive behavior to make herself look better (in front of the camera, the ladies, the audience). It seems transparent. Yeah Shannon is going nuts, but she's tired of it. If I had to be stuck in a house for a week with her or Heather and Terry... I'd rather interesting, quirky Shannon. Not the rehearsed, robotic, corny couple... just. NO. ugh.

nexxie
nexxie

That's what I think too - a deflection tactic. It all started because Shannon tried to speak with Heather about the way Heather talks to her. Maybe Heather is not used to being corrected and is trying to save face. I used to really enjoy her - this season not so much.

Talulah2012
Talulah2012

@MissPuff Also consider every time Shannon confronts Heather she says it in a disgusted tone and when Heather responds Shannon accuses her of "spinning" to shut her down. Has Shannon ever let Heather finish speaking? If someone said that to me each time I tried to tell my side of the story to shut me down, I'd hear it as yelling, too. Add to this -- if I was consistently treated this way by the same woman, I would NOT feel I owed this woman anything when she showed at my house to discuss Tamra either. Shannon KNEW Tamra was lying when she denied telling Heather about her marriage troubles. She didn't need Heather to confirm it. At the bottom of it all is this -- Shannon discussed her husband woes on camera. She's perfectly willing to "tell the world" everything that goes on behind closed doors at her house. Then Tamra "tells the world" when she repeats it to Heather on camera. And suddenly Heather is the bad person for repeating it OFF CAMERA? Oh - come on. 

CrazyKoolaid
CrazyKoolaid

@MissPuff    Perhaps, because others realize that Heather is utilizing ("yelling at her") as a metaphor (i.e. likeness).  Understood...Heather is supposedly not allowed to use 'those' type of words, as evidently (to some) is righteous ammunition against her.  Labeling her as "arrogant", "pompous" or "high-brow".   But doesn't make it erroneous.  Nor her descriptive justification to use when dealing w/Shannon at this current situational venue.  Fact is, right or wrong, it's her perception.  I know, another word Heather shouldn't (to some) have the right to verbalize or apply in her defense.  

Kat2014
Kat2014

@MissPuff Shannon speaks to Heather like she speaks to David in a harsh manner.  

Her voice is softerI when she wants to be likable and in a confrontational manner when she's angry.  Shannon is a train wreck.

Itokagi23
Itokagi23

@CutieReppinNY Exactly, but did you notice that Vicki didn't defend Shannon or Heather by telling them Tamara had said the same thing to her.

MissPuff
MissPuff

@mrsdonut If I were Shannon and I had been treated the way Heather treated her, been lied to by someone I thought was a compassionate, loyal friend (Tamra) AND suffering thru a horrible marital crisis, I think I would be on the brink of an emotional breakdown myself. Have you never been thru rough times?? If you have, have you had cameras following you around, capturing you at your worst? While I will agree with those who think Shannon needs some help, I would never criticize her for being a "whiney cry baby". Wow, that's really sad and harsh. 

SunCat
SunCat

@mrsdonut I agree!! I can't stand her. She was 'okay' in the beginning, but as the season progressed all we hear is her bitching and complaining about everything. Why would she sign up for a reality show if her marriage is in shambles and she's on a downward spiral, (her husband's words.) Sick of her! If she returns next season I'm done with this show. I don't feel like watching an hour of the Shannon drama hour! 

Townee
Townee

She might be having a nervous breakdown on TV. Maybe we should lighten up on her. Her marriage is falling apart on TV and she can no longer hide behind the closed doors. All of it is out there. She's been in denial for so long about her marriage problems, and now her husband has just announced that he's not happy. But her response was not "truthful" that even David had to ask her to honestly reflect on what makes her happy, because it was not him. I hope she's getting therapy because she does not listen to anyone, not her friends or her husband.

J-Heidi
J-Heidi

@sakibetty Heather is not being the fancy pants she used to be when she first came on the show.

queenann100
queenann100

@sakibetty I don't know....if all you have to do is react calmly to a situation and that's enough to set someone else off into a screaming, crazy fit where they start yelling, "You'll see!!  You'll all see!" - yeah, I think you pretty much win.  From what I've witnessed so far, I don't see Heather "poking and prodding" Shannon in the least.  I see Shannon keeps approaching Heather's conversations and dishing out a laundry list of complaints.  If Heather's calm demeanor pushes Shannon over the edge, I don't see that being Heather's problem.

ScienceMom
ScienceMom

@Talulah2012 @MissPuff Remember how Pissed Tamara was at Heather for telling Eddie what Tamara said about wanting another baby?? Tamara told "the world" didn't she? Heather just told Eddie...yet Tamara got pissed. Heather then profusely apologized. Yeah...doesn't make sense to me either. 

CarlaB
CarlaB

@MissPuff Hear hear.....I agree 100%. If Shannon is willing to talk about this on camera..where is the surprise it's talked about??? 

susanzavagli
susanzavagli

@Itokagi23 @CutieReppinNY I kept hoping Vicki would call Tamra out and defend Shannon but I can understand why she didn't at that time and place.....I think a show down is coming up for Tamra and I can't wait to see her brought down  

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

Yes, Puff, I have been through rough times and I understand what toll that can take on a person, both mentally and physically. That being said, Shannon admitted in the last episode, that her family has had 13 dysfunctional years to try to work through. Why then, would she agree to do a reality show?? I don't mean to sound harsh, but my feelings about her are mostly based on what Bravo chooses to show. For the most part, all I've seen of Shannon is her crying on the shoulder of anyone who'll listen and for me, it's getting old...

randrew
randrew

@Townee

  That's what she signed up for when she joined the show. If she didn't want to air her dirty laundry she shouldn't have signed on that dotted line.

Kat2014
Kat2014

@Townee Her marriage has been in trouble for a long time.  She called the police on her husband.  So who in their right mind want to go on TV when they're having problems.  One time David mentioned something about forgiveness so I'm guessing he's referring to Shannon needs to forgive and move on.  Shannon hasn't forgiven David and has been angry with him all these years.  No wonder he's not happy.

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

You're probably right, Townee. I guess I'm just exhausted from watching it all unfold.

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

It's an opinion, J. It's not a judgement.

CrazyKoolaid
CrazyKoolaid

@J-Heidi @mrsdonut       Huh?   Interesting to read your obvious partiality in taking offense with mrsdonut's viewpoint/opinion.   Alas, she put context and reasoning in defining a belief of her 'entitled opinion' that you simply dismissed as "judgmental".   I would ask...Your response to her was what exactly?  Non-judgmental......?    

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

Not a judgement, J- it's an opinion.

ScienceMom
ScienceMom

@queenann100 @sakibetty You say that all you see is Shannon approaching Heather with a list of complaints?? It's not like she is telling heather 'you are this..and this...', instead there is always a reason having to do with saying or doing something involving Heather & Shannon. Heather is insensitive to Shannon, always has been. Heather has even apologized for it on her own blog for everyone to see. When someone of a more calm nature pokes and pokes someone who is more emotional by nature, then yes that is a form of passive-aggression. A couple examples: Heather immaturely steals a seat at a restaurant during the "Chairgate", she also singles her out and speaks to her in a condescending manner at her house-opening party;  Heather then realizes Shannon is deeply hurt and crying yet doesn't offer an ounce of remorse (big red flag of indifference to Shannon's feelings). She instead proceeds to convey to others, in the most passive-aggressive way possible, that Shannon is hysterical, "angry". The big telling sign is that for such a private person, Heather would open her mouth to others about a single word concerning the marriage of another; that  it's hard to deny that only because that other person she was talking about was Shannon does it become obvious Heather was gloating to her friends that evening. That IS Heather's problem,. 

mrsdonut
mrsdonut

@Kat2014.......I agree with you, Kat. If I was having marriage trouble, the last thing in the world I would do, is go on a reality show! Like I said in my original post, I felt bad for her in the beginning

(I really did), but now it disturbs me to watch Shannon falling apart before my eyes. It reminds me a lot of Taylor, from BH. It frustrates me, because she can't see that most of her problems stem from one root-Tamra! She believes that Tamra is lying, but only to protect Heather and Terry.

Yali
Yali

@ScienceMom @queenann100 @sakibetty Thank you Sciencemom!!! What Heather is doing to Shannon is exactly what she did to Alexis. She turns everything around to make her self seem the rational one. Heather definitely started this war with Shannon out of pure jealousy of watching Vicki and Tamra gravitate toward shannon.

queenann100
queenann100

@ScienceMom @queenann100 @sakibetty Yeah, Shannon kinda did tell Heather what she is....she approached Heather at her Christmas party with "you're condescending and talk down to people!" when it had nothing to do with her.  She came to Heather's house and approached her about "you are gossping about my marriage" (she never once asked her if Tamra was involved), and now she appears to be approaching her AGAIN!  Also, I don't find it rude to tell someone (after it's brought up to you) that you wish they would've told you they'd be late to your party, especially if you had an event planned and held up the show for them.  It's more rude to know you are going to show up late and not mention it to your host. It also seems people are speculating that Heather gossiped for hours at a lunch about Shannon's marriage, when there is no evidence to point to that whatsoever, and Heather herself owns what she DID say.  I don't understand why Heather has to be so concerned over Shannon's fragile feelings, but Shannon doesn't have to afford Heather the same courtesy. 

ScienceMom
ScienceMom

@queenann100 @ScienceMom @sakibetty No, Shannon actually does not go up to Heather and dish it out.....At the Christmas party, Shannon told Heather "stop being condescending..." because she was Being condescending. NO yelling. The fault was in saying it all in front of others. Heather admitted later, that she FELT like it was yelling, but knew it wasn't. As for the showdown, it was no fault of Shannons they were late and "held up the show"...it was her husband's, yet she still apologized. Shannon told Heather that..but Mrs. Fancypants didn't accept that and proceeded to talk down to her AGAIN. She also didn't go to Heather's house saying "you are gossiping about my marriage"..she actually was pretty civil and asked. Lots of asking. Again, Heather was rude and again, Heather treated her very selfishly...just ask VIcki, ask Tamra and even Lizzie admitted this on her blog. Heather was out of line treating Shannon the way she treated her. And no one is speculating gossip was said for hours at a lunch about Shannons marriage...Heather explained it herself..1 minute or more. Yet that is a LONG time to talk about a person's private, personal marriage situation to ppl who don't know her and someone who you supposedly don't like. It was gloating, no matter how you cut it. Why should Heather be concerned about Shannons feelings? Because she acts like she wants to be friends with her (exact same time she realizes how close Tamra & Vicki are to her), then says ridiculous things like "I brought her into this group" to her husband behind Shannons back.  And Shannon's supposed to just take that abuse from Heather? All Shannon does to her is tell her not to talk condescending to her. Heather is pretty lucky that is all she's done thus far and the way she's treated her. At least she has Vicki's back.

queenann100
queenann100

@ScienceMom @queenann100 @sakibetty I've got to disagree.  I see it 100% the opposite.  I don't see Heather being condescending.  Someone else once said on these boards that being condescending would involve talking down to this bunch of pinheads and using small, little kid words because she thinks they are all too dumb to understand her.  THAT is condescending.  Speaking eloquently and stating your case, and doing so by using educated grammar, is not condescending to anybody.  I see a lot of women who aren't at her conversational level getting angry at her for being able to use "big words" (as Tamra once put it).  I just don't see that as condescending.  I see that as their problem, not hers.  And I do see Shannon constantly pushing herself to the head of the "complaint department" line when it comes to Heather.  She doesn't ASK things, she states them.  She stated that Heather was being condescending (again, disagree) and then came to her home and stated that she heard Heather was talking about her.  That's the problem.  Shannon failed to ASK anything.  She just came in with another list of complaints, and whether you actually raise your voice to a loud volume or you just simply keep showing up in someone's face to complain about them, it feels like being "yelled at" or scolded. If Shannon doesn't want her private business discussed, then she probably shouldn't go on TV and make it her storyline.  She probably shouldn't share it out loud with someone and then get mad when others find out about it.  It just makes no sense.

ebtf
ebtf

@queenann100 @ScienceMom @sakibetty Heather says to Vicki at dinner regarding Shannon when she was at her house:  " I tried to talk  to her in small sentences!"

You: " talking down to this bunch of pinheads and using small, kid words because she thinks they are too dumb to understand her.

THAT is condescending"    uhhhh condescending...Case closed!

ScienceMom
ScienceMom

@queenann100  "10% of disagreements is due to difference of opinion...90% is due to tone of voice"; adage Heather has hopefully learned by now. Heather has never came off more intelligent than Shannon; another trait Heather can't check off her list of things to negatively say about Shannon. Shannon is just as intelligent, wealthy, etc. as Heather, and it brought out the not-so-pretty in her. The lack of intelligence remark she made was referring to Tamara....her supposable "friend". 

queenann100
queenann100

@ebtf @queenann100 @ScienceMom @sakibetty That was in response to Vicki telling Heather she needed to "not use big words" and "keep it brief" or she bores Vicki into snoring.  That had nothing to do with talking down to Shannon.  In other words, Heather was telling Vicki, "I followed your rules.  I used small sentences, like YOU said I had to do."  That wasn't condescending.  That was a jab at Vicki for telling Heather she isn't allowed to speak the way she wants to.  

queenann100
queenann100

@ScienceMom @queenann100 When did Heather make any remarks about anybody's lack of intelligence?  Did I miss that?  I genuinely don't remember her saying anything about that. (And if she did make a remark about Tamra's lack of intelligence....I mean...it practically writes itself.)