What most of the people on here are forgetting is that Shannon when on national television to talk to Tamara...so is it really a secret? LOL...if you don't want ANYONE to know, keep you messy marriage off of television!
After Heather spread the news about Shannon's email from her husband, Tamra really regrets telling her about it in the first place.0
What most of the people on here are forgetting is that Shannon when on national television to talk to Tamara...so is it really a secret? LOL...if you don't want ANYONE to know, keep you messy marriage off of television!
I'd like to see Vicki invest some time & energy in reflecting & owning her interference & behavior surrounding Tamra & Simon when they were married & the double standard she invoked when the shoe was on the other foot concerning her relationship with Brooks. Vicki was clearly dismayed when Brooks made a point of saying Tamra is a bone of contention between them. Has Brooks not watched past seasons to see Vicki's behavior around & regarding Simon? As insipid as Tamra can be/is, her going after Brooks at that party was Tamra taking a page from the book Vicki wrote for her. And deep down inside, Vicki KNOWS that.
I don't believe for a second that Tamara told Heather because she wanted Heather to back off on Shannon by trying to create sympathy. Tamara clearly enjoyed the gossip she shared with Heather and laughed about Shannon drinking too much. It was a vicious and malicious gossip meant to separate instead of unite Shannon and Heather.
It's not so much that Shannon gave Tamra a pass but Tamara apologized to Shannon and later owned it after the fact. Whereas Heather tried to deflect the fact she gossiped maliciously about Shannon and then told her she was done and to leave. In other words get the out of my house was Heather's tone.
Tamra, shame on you for blaming the whole fiasco with Shannon on Heather. Heather was wrong, but you were more wrong. Shannon didn't confide in Heather. She confided in you. Just accept responsibility and don't try to deflect.
Heather wants everyone to think she has the perfect family and marriage. beside being one of the housewives what else does she do.that she needs a chef to cook meals. she worries about her image and what other housewives are saying about her. she wants to be miss perfect she is controlling beside being a liar.
Ok, I have to comment on Heather and the new dog. This woman really does think that she's the smartest person in the room. What does the geneology of a dog have to do with allergies? Does she think a pedigree doesn't have dander? Of course she doesn't. If you want a new dog instead of a rescue dog just say so. Her own husband called her out on it. I hope giving a donation eases her pretentious self. And potty training it in the rental instead of her new castle says it all. I can't stand this woman.
No one should tell Tamra anything that they don't want getting out. She can't keep a secret if her life depended on it. She is a friend to no one.
Tamra ~ I don't believe for a second that you won't tell Heather anything again. It's not in your nature to keep your mouth shut about anything. You can't even keep your own problems to yourself and you love love love to gossip and stir the pot.
Tamara once again is trying to blame Heather cuz she back stabbed Shannon and then denied it when it as obvious, the fake baby was really stupid after she had 4 kids
Tamra doesn't have to tell Heather anything, all Tamra has to do is go to a restaurant with a friend and the CAMERAS and talk and Heather will find out like the rest of us.Heather's right, it was brought to her attention with the cameras there so knowing the entire world would have access to the info until the end of time again I am confused why this disturbs anyone if repeated. If Shannon doesn't want people discussing her private life then perhaps she should stop talking about it when the cameras are around unless of course like many people she will do anything for airtime... and then saying anything to Tamra on TELEVISION or course is a good choice for secrecy. Really gals... I almost fell for it but no, I didn't. The whole fan base is discussing Shannon's relationship you can hardly punish Heather for this. What's interesting to me is why Tamra lied to Shannon? ... SB I can't believe you would play your family this way for a little fame... now that's what everyone should be talking about.
Oh my gosh Tamra, you're pathetic. How can you and Vicki still be on this show I'll never know. And yes, I said Vicki too. She maybe the "voice of reason" this season but she's still the same old Vicki. Her and Shannon looked totally ridiculous dancing on that bar. Hell, I was embarrassed just watching those two idiots! And you... you have way overstayed your welcome. Hopefully you and Shannon won't be on next season. One can only hope!!
No Tamra, it is all your fault. You betrayed a friend Heather did not. Heather had your back when Shannon marched to her house.
Vicki doesn't really know the story here. She knows Shannon's side of the story, which was more than a little embellished. While Tamra was trying to own up to her faults in this situation, she just couldn't do it without dragging Heather's wrongs into it as well. Two wrongs don't make a right, Tamra! Dragging Heather's missteps into the conversation does not excuse your own. As for Vicki's comment that Tamra was okay to talk about it because she was keeping it within the group and trying to help Shannon, but Heather was just gossiping...again, Vicki, find out the whole story first! Heather admits a friend at a table of women asked her how things were going with Shannon, and she commented that she heard Shannon was having some marital problems and got an email from her husband, and that was probably not a good time to try to bridge the gap between them. THEN she said other women at the table knew all about it and continued talking about it long after she had changed the subject. I don't consider that any different than what Tamra did, nor should Vicki....except for the fact that Shannon already did her best to paint Heather as a horrid beast to Vicki in Mexico. Tamra just needs to own her part and hers alone...don't bring anybody else into it.
@cars121 I recall the party they all attended and Tamra took Vicki aside to talk about her problems with Simmon who saw Tamra crying to Vicki when he walked in on the conversation Tamra turned the tears off and Simmon went after Vicki and Tamra didn't say a word to defend her friend who she dragged into her marriage...Vicki never verbally attacked Simmon.......Tamra had no right to go off on Brookes and get involved in Vicki's business
@cars121 SO wrong. If any discerning soul watches the interaction of Tamra-Simon-Vicki, one clearly sees how she would cry to Vicki about all that Simon did to her, while telling Simon that she has no idea why Vicki acts so over-protectively. Since Episode One, Tamra is the foundationlayer of all nastiness and untruth.
Kate123 ~ Agree, agree, agree, and agree! And then Heather lied and said that Shannon never apologized!
@GARCIA911 I don't think Heather is trying to convince anyone she has the perfect marriage. I think she just doesn't use it for TV entertainment. Everyone has issues behind closed doors. Keeping it private is her choice. Besides this is a show about RICH housewives, I would hope they had hired help for everything, otherwise what would be the point of the show. Nothing wrong with being rich, rich, rich and happy. Since we're on the subject of gossip I don't believe Heather repeated it maliciously at all... I think she just simply repeated it. I don't remember hearing TAMRA SAY DON'T TELL ANYONE.. Tamra only said Don't Tell Anyone to Vicki when she called Vicki in MEXICO TO CONTINUE GOSSIPING ABOUT SB's emails.
GARCIA911 - And I don't really believe she has a perfect marriage although I believe she may think she does. She gets on Terry's case a lot for things he says and does and I get the feeling he knows better than to try to defend himself because she'll let him have it! Then because he doesn't defend his self a lot she gets the impression that everything is smooth sailing!
@GARCIA911 So you're saying if you had all the money the Dubrow's have, you would NEVER hire help? Please! Everyone on here who bashes them for that is so ridiculous and not being honest with themselves. If people had the money to hire help, they would, at least occasionally. If you watched last season, it really focused on her tension with Terry, she didn't seem to be too focused on trying to look like she had a "perfect" marriage then, so I doubt she is worried about it now.
@Rubyjean4 there are breads that are hypoallergenic. Her husband called her out on it yes. But at least she will donate to a shelter so for that I am glad.
@Rubyjean4 I really like Heather so it's easy to hear the truth about this comment, it's really I don't like Heather not really about what dog she got. It's so easy to pick on someone you don't like... Heather is really getting it this season.
@Rubyjean4 Sure, Heathers daughter is allergic to dogs and she's just making stuff up when it comes to Hypoallergenic dogs. So you think she just got a dog regardless of her daughters allergies? President Obama had to get a Hypoallergenic dog (Bo) because Malia is allergic to dogs.
@Rubyjean4 I agree, Ruby. Her eyes are very telling. She didn't like her husband calling her out on her pretentious bs.
@ALasVegasHousewife As bad, she is her own worst enemy. Tagline 'I'm not getting older..' speaks volumes. This broad simply refuses to grow up, face reality or learn from her own mistakes.
@bravolover10 "I am confused why...." - because it's GIRL CODE: even/especially if *everyone* else is wrapped up in gossip, one has her Girl's back. ( Like RHONY Heather does.)
@bravolover10 Based on what SB's stated as her rationale for doing the show, I think in her distorted way of thinking, SB thought 'the world' would see the 'purgatory' she was suffering, rally to her support, David would recognize 'the error of his ways', empathy, sympathy & adoration would swell for SB and all would be alligned properly in SB's world. SB expects all to disregard what she says and does, only what she subsequently says she really MEANT should matter. She is simply misunderstood. Yeah right. SMH
@boadecia1 I agree. Tamra thinks she's aways right, no matter what. Man she's got a big head. I hope H leaves her in the dust.
queenann100 - You keep saying I said Heather lied, I never said that. I said I don't trust her to tell the truth and there were no cameras there so, basically we'll never know. Once again, I never said she lied.
@queenann100 see, that is *exactly* how H gaslights the situation.
queenann100 - Just wanted to comment that no one (including cameras apparently) was at the restaurant when Heather discussed issues she had no business discussing with her friends. Just as you say Victoria only knows one side of the story, we only know Heather's side of that story. I don't particularly trust Heather to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth either!!!
@susanzavagli @cars121 susan & sandi, I completely agree regarding Tamra's playing both sides. NOT painting Tamra as an innocent victim here. Tamra & Vicki think friendship means backing someone even when it is obvious that they are wrong, because 'that's what friends do'. They never learned the difference between loving a friend through something while RECOGNIZING their mistakes, flaws, foibles, not promoting dysfunction by aiding & abetting inappropriate behavior by saying something is okay when it is not. They expected unconditional support for any/all jacked up behavior they engage in. Vicki invited Tamra into her relationship with Don, as well. Vicki's acknowledged that she's learned not to share relationship info with girlfriends. Vicki & Tamra's 'friendship' feeds into the darkest, most dysfunctional aspects of each of them.
@Fayeth SB's apology must have gone over Heather's head considering it wasn't the first thing she did after throwing Heather out of her home after chastising her for something that was none of her business in first place.
@nexxie Well when getting puppy...house training is a must and there will be accidents. I'd much rather have it in the home that I won't be living permanently in myself if I had a chance and if people here were honest, they'd agree too. I doubt Heather is a disgusting slob who will leave dog poo on the floor of the rental, her housekeeper will clean it up!! LOL. But, who wouldn't like another place to potty train their dog rather than their multmillion dollar home???
@FrankTucson @Rubyjean4 Sadly, many people are uninformed regarding specific breeds that are recommended for allergy sufferers specifically because of the breed's genetic predisposition for reduced/almost no shedding & reduced dander. Just like Heather was unaware of the plethora of pure bred specific rescue groups that are out there. It would be nice to think that as a result of this forum, people might actually be open to learning something. Hope springs eternal. Andy's rescue love pup is always a highlight when he appears on WWHL. Isn't Wacha adorable?
@sandi2 @bravolover10 I really don't think girl code applies to this show... I believe with 100% confidence that if someone said anything to HD privately, off camera, it would NEVER be repeated -- I honestly can't say that about any other housewife on HW of OC. and if anyone is going to pull the "girl code" card on any group, why now, why on HD. It has nothing to do with it, people just either like SB or HD. Where's all the comments about girl code on Tamra or any other housewife, no it's just hate heather season... I think Heather is fantastic. She's really holding up well considering all the jealousy flowing her way... people just don't believe she's happy and she can do this show without throwing her family and personal life under the bus. And who cares what dog she gets. I mean people donate money all the time to Breast Cancer Research, doesn't mean you have to get breast cancer. over it.
@cars121 @bravolover10 I completely agree. I also think high maintenance is sexy at 21 for a poor boy working his up on his own, to conquest a beautiful rich girl. I think he thought he won something really special. I think the trouble is SB doesn't realize it's time to stop being high maintenance and hard to please, it's just not sexy anymore. I mean how many times does the boy have to climb the mountain. But when someone is used to getting what they want by being difficult it's hard for them to see there are other options, better options.
@Fayeth Perhaps if Shannon communicated more effectively with her spouse, she might ask the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth from her husband regarding HIS source about the conversation. Can't help but wonder exactly who THAT woman is and where SHE fits into this fiasco. Once again, Shannon might be missing the forrest for the heather, I mean trees. lol
@Fayeth I'm pretty sure it was as far as I remember. It was at a restaurant and wasn't a long scene and Heather just commented on it in passing saying something like. "It was a crazy week and Tamra told her that Shannon had received some kind of email from David that made Shannon very upset" then continued on to another conversation She never revealed what the email actually said.
@Fayeth Agree, no cameras were there for that. So why rush to judgement that the only person who was there for the incident (Heather) must be lying about it? Unless anybody can prove otherwise, (and without cameras nobody can), then why go into it with the mentality that Heather is lying? Maybe she is. Maybe she talked and talked and talked about it. But she was told this information, by Tamra, ON CAMERA. If I were in her shoes, wouldn't assume immediately that something I was told, which was being recorded to go on TV, would be super private info. Doesn't make it right if she did talk about it, but again, no reason to assume she went to that lunch with malice and the intent to talk about Shannon's "private" life. When confronted, Heather immediately fessed up to her role in it, unlike Tamra who lied. I cannot assume Heather had malicious intent just because I want to dislike her....though other viewers seem to find personal dislike a good enough reason to assume Heather a liar.
@cars121 This whole dog thing has been annoying me too. There is no such thing as a hypo-allergenic dog. It is a marketing ploy from breeders to make money selling the dogs. Allergies come from the dogs dander, which every dog has, regardless of how much they shed. Now, low-shedding dogs help, but it doesn't truly make them hypo-allergenic. At first, I was thinking the same thing as you, why not find a breed specific rescue? But after WWHL, Heather explained that the whole dog thing came up because Terry had a patient who was a golden doodle breeder and they were buying the dogs from that person. She also said they've rescued dogs in the past and will do it again in the future, but this time they chose to buy from this patient. Andy's dog is too cute!! I love when you get to see him on camera.
@bravolover10 @sandi2 Oh, I agree 100% @bravolover10 ! I love Heather, I think she's very grounded and just generally happy but no-nonsense kinda gal..and I do think she's held her own this season despite everything that's been thrown on her, she just explains her thoughts on each matter, shakes it off and keeps it moving...while Tamra & Shannon are like a dog with a bone & will hold a grudge with a vengeance. #TEAMFANCYPANTS
@bravolover10 @cars121 The lost & perplexed expression on SB's face when David told her she needs to find happiness within herself is demonstrative of the sad reality that SB simply never acquired, much less developed countless skill sets required of people who need to be self sufficient & independent. Shannon seems to count solely on wealth & status. Just now wondering if it is no coincidence that despite her family's wealth, no mention or inclination toward philanthropy or any service work has ever been mentioned or alluded to. It doesn't appear she was raised with the 'to whom much is given, much is expected' mentality. Puts a new twist on fronting 'down to earth' as a mask for utterly self absorbed.
cars121 ~ For all we know Shannon did ask her husband exactly who he got his information from. I agree that Shannon and David need to work on their marriage and she needs to relax a little but I'm not going to assume that she doesn't know who told him just because she didn't clarify it on camera for all to hear. It could be a good enough friend that she doesn't want to drag them into it anymore than they already are.
queenann100 ~ Why rush to judgment that I think Heather must be lying? All I said was I don't trust her to tell the truth! Maybe she is and maybe she isn't but in my opinion since all we have is her word I'm certainly not going to say that she admitted her part in it the way you did. You went on and on about how Heather said this and that as though if she said it then it must be true! Then you say, "Vicki, find out the whole story first!" That's what prompted my comment because you don't have the whole story either!
@queenann100 @Fayeth I totally agree..why rush to judgement and assume that a friend, someone you've known for years now, is lying and blame her for everything but continue to believe everything Shannon (who you've only known for a month or two) is saying...wow, with friends like that who needs enemies? I hope this opens Heather's eyes finally to who Tamra & Vicki really are.
@LindsayG423 @cars121 You are absolutely correct. I do not have a problem with her getting a puppy for her children. I don't even have a problem with her making a donation of some bones and biscuits whatever to a shelter. Great!!!! My problem with Heather is the song and dance she went through. It was practically a musical. Of course she explained herself. That's all she does. She's pretentious and she lies.
@Fayeth Plausible were it not for SB's demonstrated track record. She is an awful communicator. She obsessively focuses on tangental minutae while almost pathologically ignoring the obvious, main or intended point, particularly if it's info she's rather not face. She's a consummate liar without recognizing it. She looks Tamra in the face & says she believes her denial 110%, then in confessional states she KNEW Tamra was the source. Later, she affirms Tamra for 'owning it' then in confessional (and with Vicki) states she could never trust her again. Talk about double dealing. OMG
@Fayeth I'm not following your logic here. We don't know who the friend was who told David about all this, because it wasn't on camera and no further mention of it was made. Still, you say you don't want to assume that Shannon doesn't already know who it is, and that she maybe just wanted to keep that person out of it and off camera. But Heather gives at least ONE side (her own, of course) of what she said at the lunch about Shannon's marriage, which also was not shown and not on camera, and you have to assume she is lying because you don't trust her version of events? The story we have absolutely ZERO knowledge about (the friend who told David) you are willing to assume Shannon knows all about, but the story we have at least SOME knowledge about (albeit Heather's version) you aren't willing to believe? I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one. If the only witness to a situation tells me something and owns up to saying what they said, I'm going to believe that unless I am given a reason not to. Sort of that "innocent until proven guilty" thing. I have no reason at all to think Shannon is aware of who this friend is who told David the news, as nothing more has ever been said about it. Difference of opinion on that one, I guess. Nothing wrong with that.
cars121 - We'll we each have a right to our opinion. I choose not to make assumptions and base my opinion on what I've actually seen
queenann100 ~ Please stop insisting that I said Heather lied. I never said that but you've repeated it twice now. Secondly, please don't say that I assume Shannon knows all about who told David, I never said that either. You're twisting my words around and that's why you aren't following the logic. My original reason for commenting was because you totally supported Heather’s side of the story even though we only know her side of it, then in the next breath you say, “Vicki, find out the whole story first!” because she showed support for Shannon! Now there’s confusing logic! Please re-read my comments, they're still on here, then you won't have to keep getting upset about things you only THINK I said.
@Fayeth I didn't know I was upset. I was just basing my comments on yours. If you say "I don't trust her (Heather) to tell the truth" then that equates to "I think she is lying." Does it not? And if you say "I'm not going to assume she (Shannon) doesn't know who told David just because she didn't clarify it on camera for all to hear" does that not equate to assuming Shannon knows who told David? I'm just basing my reaction on your comments, and since that is what you said, that is how I took it. I think we're playing in semantics here. I say Vicki doesn't know the whole story because she took Shannon's versions of events and didn't bother to ask Heather her side. So no, she doesn't know both sides. I support Heather's side of what happened at the lunch with friends because Heather was the only person there. Nobody else was. So there's really no one else to believe, as nobody else can set it straight. I can only take the word of the one person who was there. Whereas Vicki can get the sides of BOTH people involved, not just take one story and assume it to be correct. Again, I'm not the least bit upset, just responding to what I'm reading.
queenann100 - If I say something wasn't on camera that equates to, "so we'll never really know" OK? That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, but I didn't state my "opinion" as though I'm right because...we'll never know...it wasn't on camera! So you were basing your comments on what you read into what I said, not what I said. Trust me, I know the thought process behind what I said better than anyone and I DID NOT say Heather lied and I DID NOT assume that Shannon knows who told David. So now we can put that to rest. Please don't make assumptions about what I mean. And that fact that you insist that I said Heather lied even after I told you that wasn't what I meant equates to you being upset about my comment right? Sorry, I guess I was reading into it, sort of like what you keep doing. It really comes off as being upset.
@Fayeth You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. No one ever said otherwise. I wasn't reading meaning into anything - simply basing my comments on what I was reading on the board. Originally, I agreed with you that this was not on camera. I came from a place of "we'll never know, so I have to believe Heather's version of events since she was the only one there" and you came from a place of "we'll never know but I don't trust Heather to tell the truth." I found that interesting. Two differences in view/opinion over the same event. I can assure you I'm not upset in the least. Just trying to follow what is being presented, that's all. I guess that was a rollercoaster I should not have boarded. My bad.