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Do you have a Housewives hangover, or did you OD on Obama last night? Or both?
I spent my last night in St. Louis with my family and we watched Obama, which meant listening to my mother curse and scream "Judas!" everytime Joe Lieberman came on-screen. Joe looked like he was sucking something, or chewing on some kind of mealy curd. What was it, Judas? On what was you sucking?
Oh the political commentary rolling out of Evelyn Cohen's mouth! MSNBC should give HER the 10 p.m. slot! Did Barbara Boxer get "facework?" Was Evelyn right that Kit Bond looked "shickered?" And did Michelle Obama look better than everybody at the Oscars x 10!? And was that Governor Bobby Jindal or an SNL skit? Screw Campbell Brown — this St. Louis lady cuts through the bull! And Lou Cohen can ID every member of the House and Senate! They would make an amazing anchor team.
So yeah, then I listened to them watch the OC gals on DVR and, um, it was a jarring turn of tone for the room. My mother was uninterested and my father loved all the boobs. We had a debate about whether high school graduates, GED graduates, or Gretchen, should be expected to know the identities of the pioneering nurse Florence Nightengale or All About Eve protagonist Eve Harrington. We agreed that Florence is History 101, but Eve was a reference just south of the OC, and a little bit down Gay Street.
Regarding Tamra's accusation that Gretchen was dating this "Jay" dude the whole time she was caring for Jeff: I honestly don't know what went down. The Gretchen/Tamra smackdown actually began during a commercial break and continued for longer than you saw on the show, and Gretchen was insistent and genuine in her denial. I wish her the very best and it's clear she's going through a rough time. I certainly think that this helps explain some of Tamra's treatment towards Gretchen for half the season; she was getting calls from the supposed "boyfriend" and didn't trust either of them. What do YOU think, by the way?? Who to believe??
You killed it last night at the Reunion Show. Some of the questions you put out there had me squirming! I was glad you let Vicki and Tamra know what we the viewers were thinking. They have turned into real disappointments. You could smell the jealousy of Vicki regarding Lauri and Tamra regarding Gretchen. But they both live in denial, so they (especially Vicki)won't grow from this at all.
Just so you know, we in Southern California find these women mortifying and are so glad to get a refreshing break with the NYC ladies. Some of us were commenting that both the Atlanta and New York Housewives are so much more charitable than the knuckle headed dingbats from the O.C. The only thing these women give to are their Plastic Surgeons.
Thanks again and well done!
Your questions were pretty 'soft ball'. I would have liked for you to ask Lynne about giving Raquel a car -- that whole episode was an example of the worst things that parents can do to coddle their lazy, spoiled children. How does she think this is going to help Raquel in life? Giving her a car was NOT about helping Raquel, it was all about the guilt and excess and exhibitionism of her parents.
I would have liked for you to ask Jeana what she thought when Al showed up for her birthday dinner (at the St. Regis!) looking like he just came from the barn. What the heck was he thinking??? The only thing missing was a piece of straw in his teeth. And that episode with her son bad-mouthing her... Such self-loathing she must have to accept and excuse that.
When Vicki said she wasn't in therapy for bad-mouthing people, you should have asked her what she IS in therapy for -- if she's not in therapy, you should have had a therapist's business card ready to hand her. That "Love Me" "Adore Me" stuff is sick and needy. Who the hell is going to love a harpy like her? (Note to Vicki: The "Five Love Languages" is about GIVING not receiving.)
Tamra's just skanky. Her telling the story of Jay calling her just made her skankier -- and she doesn't even know it. The episode where she cried because her mother and father got a divorce when she was 25 and her father "abandoned" her... jeesh... get a life. Move over, Vicki, Tamra's going halfsies with you on the therapy couch.
Gretchen looked 'guilty as charged' -- I wish she had the courage to admit that there are portions of her life that are not for public consumption. She's been through a lot. I hope she'll develop enough confidence to defend her right to live her life as she sees fit.
You should have called Vicki and Tamra out on their catty, middle-school remarks. And while you were at it, Vicki's drinking and throwing herself all over men. Ugh. So ugly.
Bravo producers are GENIUSES for picking these women. They all exhibit behaviors that are perfect textbook examples for Abnormal Psychology. Very interesting case studies.
Now I get why Tamara had such resentment toward Gretchen. If Gretchen's story is true and not exaggerated, then it should have been incorporated into the story line during the show. I hope the real story about Jeff and Gretchen will surface. If Gretchen is going to live her life so publicly on a television show, I don't think she should be upset if all the details come to the forefront. If facts come to light that she really is a gold digger, than I hope she is not on the show next season. She's obnoxious and self-centered to begin with and not easy to like as a character, but for me, knowing that she is a gold digger would put the nail in the coffin. I wouldn't want to see her on the show again.
I love Gretchen, but I do wish that she would own up to her true life...but then again, it wouldn't be the "REAL" OC if she did...
I have a picture of her kissing Jay WITH the ring from Jeff on her finger...so couldn't have been BEFORE she dated Jeff!
First of all, I didn't know you were from STL. Thank you for representing our area so well, hope you got some toasted ravioli or Ted Drewes while you were here. I don't feel any differently about Gretchen. That crazy Jay guy is all over the Internet and tabloids acting like a stalker, and between that and Tamra/Vicki acting like Mean Girls it just makes me sympathize with her. Tamra basically admitted this guy was blackmailing and threatening Gretchen. Mostly, I hate that when Lynne was crying Vicki asked Lynne if she felt badly now for making Vicki cry. Who does that?
Andy - If you are still in STL do not go to First Watch again for yucky eggs and english muffins slathered with popcorn butter. Email me and I will send you to a great local breakfast joint. Love your blog, I love the days when I remember I haven't read it in awhile and I read three or four in one sitting.
Love Carla... she is my pick to win. Carla should have her own show! Stefan needs to lose... he needs a little humbling. Hosea is kind of boring, and I haven't tasted his food, so...
They should make a movie about Gretchen... "Doubt 2." I like her, and I want to believe her, but Tamra's evidence does leave a little bit of doubt. Vicki needs to pull her head out of her... Jeanna needs to stop making excused for people. Lynn is smarter than people think, although not so great with the kids. Tamra, total "Mean Girl," but I bet she's fun to hang out with if she's on your side. Gay boy loves caddy girl!
You're great on these "reunion" shows, Andy. I don't care what ANYONE says! I liked that you told Tamra that she had to own what she has said and done, however, it's just too bad that it was all lost on the little back-stabbing airhead. She doesn't know how to own anything unless it comes from a plastic surgeon with serial numbers on it.
Seriously, these women are an embarrassment to all women and I hope to hell that Bravo cancels the OC. They disgust and repel me and all I want to do is yell at them. After any episode I watch I feel like I need to take a shower. I won't be watching them again if they come back for another season, that's for sure.
Unfortunately, I had to do a parent/teacher conference and missed the first 15 minutes of the reunion show with one of my favorite OC wife, Vicki. I'm sure I'll catch it during reruns during the week...hopefully on the weekend.
I need to get a DVR. =(
I'm glad that Tamra called Gretchen out on her gold digger ways. We all know that she was into Jeff for the money and she even admitted it on the show that she wasn't even attracted to him; thus, I wouldn't be surprised if she was cheating on him too while he was in the hospital.
Lauri crying on the reunion show was just ridiculous - she's a grown woman who cries when she gets called stupid? Give me a break. I would love to see how she survived high school.
Andy, your parents sound great! Get them a show already! Can't wait for season 5, would love to see more of Lynn, but less of her girls. More Jena & Kara (she is so funny), and lot's more of Gretchen & Tamara having it out. Will the New wives be back? Do tell!
From the start,Gretchen didn't behave for a fiance who was sick and dying.In reality, I can't think how would Jeff's family feel about her so young to be his daughter and their sister. Yeah, she's hot and beautiful. She can be an actress too that's why I did not believe their story. She could be paid after all or promised to be w/ Jeff since he was dying but she was out all the time while Jeff was in the hospital. We know the show was edited, but it's still clear she was just hired by Jeff. Some men does that remember Nicole Smith's billionaire husband? They know their young partner doesn't love them but would still be happy even for the last time. I hope Jeff was contented of Gretchen's emotional support at least.
Andy NOTHING about what supposedly went down with this Jay person will ever make up or explain why Tamra was so rude.
Tamra was rude BECAUSE TAMRA IS RUDE!
Stop trying to save her ass on the show. I don't care if they're broke, I don't care if her husband was only ever a car salesman, and isn't selling any cars now. I DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE SLAUGHTERED ON TV!
I don't want to see the reputation of deceased people dirtied, suggesting he PAID for Gretchen's attention and affection was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen on TV.
Andy, you asked the most disgusting ridiculous questions. The show embarrasses women, and I think many people will be taking a stand against this type of TV.
Smile all you like, it was disgusting and sickening. I have no idea who you are, but what you did on that Reunion show was DISGUSTING.
The Housewives reunion, what a train wreck. Lynne came off as the only one that wasn't a monster. I say Bravo needs to move to up central or northern "OC" and find a new group of gals that are actually friends, and housewives.
Good Job Andy! Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My! That’s how I felt watching these women go at each other on the reunion show. It started out innocent enough with some small talk but then, wham, Tamra’s claws came out quick. The crux of the big issue was when Tamra accused Gretchen of lying about her relationships with Jeff. Bottom line, Tamra says Gretchen had a boyfriend (not Jeff) and was only being paid to care for Jeff. So here’s my opinion about that….who cares Tamra?! So what if she was being paid and had some on the side; that’s her choice. If she misrepresented herself to Bravo, that’s up to them to handle. And as for her dying boyfriend…although I feel for him and his family, he put himself into this situation by hooking up in the first place with a woman ½ his age. Did he think she was with him for ANYTHING ELSE BUT HIS MONEY? I mean really, the man was married 5 times…..he knew the drill. He probably just wanted die the way he apparently lived – chasing beautiful women. I feel for this man and his family but only because he got sick and passed away, NOT because he was taken advantage of by this woman.
I understand Tamra’s need to ‘out’ Gretchen but she could have done it in a different way. By attacking her she looked jealous and vindictive. Tamra is not the most likable character anyway – kind of like dressed up trailer trash with her bleached out hair and loud mouth. She certainly found a soul mate in her new BFF Vicky. Vicky is the neediest person on the show. She comes across as a total basket case with her incessant need to have everyone focus on her. This is why she cannot accept new people in the group because everyone in the old group knows how she is and humors her need for attention. And one last thing about Vicky……I won’t criticize her marriage because if her husband is that stupid to stay with someone who doesn’t appear to love him, that’s his deal. What I will say is if she criticizes one more person on how they raise their kids (i.e., Shane), when her own son treats her like dirt, I’m going to puke. This kid of hers lives for the party and disrespects her every chance he gets (the cruise, Mexico trip...ring any bells?). Now I can certainly understand some of his behavior comes from the fact that Vicky embarrasses both of her kids constantly – but it’s still no excuse.
As for Jeanna – well, what can I say about her. I like her most of the time but then she will say something really snobby and I can't stand her again. This season she was ok. Now that those two freaky kids and husband are out the house (Shane, Kara and Matt), it’s easier to watch her with just Colton to consider. She ought to be a little more careful with him or he’ll turn out to be just as bad as ‘I hate my Mom’ Shane and ‘I don’t want to work’ Kara.
Lastly, there is Lynn. Please Bravo, where did you find this one? She is a piece of work. I thought I’d like her at first because she and her husband seemed down to earth…..boy was I wrong! Her whole story starts up with she and her hubby buying the daughter a car for her 18th birthday. Then we find out later that the daughter either didn’t graduate or was at a school for troubled teens,…..I don’t know. She walks around like she’s in a fog and although I could never be intentionally mean to someone’s face, I can see why the girls were commenting on her behavior. It’s bizarre most of the time.
Now, onto New York. I love Jill and Betthany. They are so funny together. The show can do without Simon and Alex. Talk about bizarre….that’s a pair! They are both so god awful ugly …..please Simon, you claim to have so much money, why don’t you get your wife’s teeth fixed and send her to a good salon to fix that rat’s nest she calls hair! For two people who want so badly to fit into society, you need to work on looking the part (not just clothes).
Regarding LuAnn….yes, LuAnn…I refuse to say 'countess’. If you want everyone to bow to you, move to another country! If you choose to stay here, Shut Up already with the countess crap. One last thing, why in God’s name would you name your son Noel and pronounce it like a girl’s name. This kid is clearly going to have issues.
The last one, Ramona, please take her off of the show. Those eyes of hers scare me! She’s in uninteresting and very angry all the time. Her husband and daughter seem normal but I am not interested at all in her.
And the new girl…..seems like a real snob but that remains to be seen.
I try to get your attention on a regular basis, and for some reason you dont post my comments...Good thing I am a persistent girl! I (like so many others)am so OVER Trailer Trash Tamra! Insecure women are not interesting to watch. Her dinner party was disgusting, her treatment of Gretchen was horrific, and calling Slade a "homo" was the final straw with me!! Gretchen is fun, beautiful, and entertaining. The fact that "Jay" called Tamra of all people is just too fishy for me.
I am engaged to a wonderful man. I was very ill and in ICU for weeks, and in the hospital for over a month. I asked him to leave. It was so draining for him to be at the hospital everyday. When you love someone you are aware of what a sacrifice it is for them. Also, you don't get any rest in the hospital, and visitors drain what little energy you have. Unless people have lived through a situation like this they should not be so quick to judge Gretchen!
Andy, Would you tell us why Tammy and Quinn were not on this season? Even though Tammy was at the reunion party, no one explained why she was not participating in the weekly episodes. Nothing has been said about Quinn at all. Give us info, please. Thanks. J