Wow. That was a tough episode to watch. Actually, the last two episodes were hard to watch. It’s hard enough when you’re going through something like that in real time, but to have to relive it, then watch the additional discussions had about you?! Not easy! But I am not about to let someone tell me or people that I am friends with that I am a bad person.
So let’s be fair here: I certainly could have behaved differently at the restaurant, and I’m not very pleased that I resorted to my classic sarcasm in that particular situation, especially given the company I was with. It was pretty obvious to me that Ashlee didn’t care for me, and I should have been more careful with my words. That said, “Funny? Funny looking!” is one of the oldest jokes out there! As I said that at the bar, an image of my uncle -- the king of corny jokes! -- popped into my head. When I was little, all we ever heard from him was corny joke after corny joke! “Hey there pretty, pretty ugly!” or “Moron? How about more off!” and of course, “You’re funny? Funny looking!” He had us rolling with his play on words cornball jokes! And everyone knew them -- and still does! Well, all but for Ashlee I guess.
You may not like someone and you may not want to be friends with them, but that doesn’t make them a bad person. Yes, I can see why Ashlee may be pissed that I said I was mortified when she was calling her dad on the phone when she was talking to Clark Kent in the Hamptons. Yes, I can understand she didn’t think my questions at speed dating were appropriate or funny. Yes, I can understand that she didn’t like that I didn’t roll over and run away when she told me to at the Drink Hanky party. And yes, I can even accept her not being fond of me because of where I live! But do any of these things make me a bad person? NO. Not at all! And Ashlee couldn’t even admit that they did either! Which I think is why she got so pissed off when we were having drinks because she was in the wrong for calling me a bad person and furthermore for telling Erica and Amanda not to talk to me.
There is nothing worse, in my opinion, than someone trying to take away your integrity. When someone (like an Ashlee) makes claims of your character that are so far off, it’s beyond hurtful. Furthermore, to see her discuss with her parents and Casey that she knew she hurt me and didn’t care -- that takes mean girl to a whole different level. Quite frankly, it’s lazy and socially irresponsible!
We can all be hurtful in times of frustration, pain, anger, sadness, PMS -- the list goes on. But most people will show an ounce of remorse or regret. However, if someone honestly enjoys being hurtful to someone, something is wrong with that person’s moral compass. And furthermore, unless you are the Pope, the Supreme Court, Judge Judy, Mamma Dukes, or Chanel’s rabbi (that’s a joke!), you’ve no right to tell anyone they are a bad person.
I've beein watching and your not a bad person. You are pretty level headed and only react when you are really pused. Ashlee is like dealing with a 5th grader that talks over everyone and thinks she is actually an authority figure on morals and maturity. Very self righteous and also very ignorant on her part. If she still wants to live with her parents at 30 years old is not for me to judge since in certain cultures the daughters still live with their parents until they are married. My issues is she does nothing with her life while living with her parents. She doesn't even seem to know how to do the basic functions of daily life without having to ask her dad or mom for help!! So, I laugh when she starts giving preaching to people about things and is always commenting refrencing her maturity in situations, and how she's right!! Yeah, this viewer is NO fool. I admire you Joey because you are a hard worker. You are a fighter trying to better yourself and do something with your life. All of the viewers are seeing her for who she is with all her insulting comments about poor people and etc. Keep up the hard work because it will pay off and keep fighting for your dreams. And, even from a business standpoint if one project fails just move on to another one..don't give up.
I know this was filmed close to a year ago.....but don't let Ashlee spend any more time in your head. She's a spoiled, self-entitled brat...plain and simple. Casey is a frigid snob. These are not your people. I come from South Shore Long Island too and you said it best...hotter, cooler and withouta Doubt, tougher. Don't ever let anyone see you sweat
Don't worry 2 more seconds about that little troll. "funny looking " was an actual compliment of what I thought of Mama Dukes.
Don't give 2 seconds worrying about that little troll. "funny looking" was actually a compliment to what I think Mamma Dukes looks like.
nataliaevaafter I just read your comment and I think you have too much time on your hands. You are the one with a BIG MOUTH and have no idea where you are coming from. Joey's father is a complete asshole and showed the country such terrible unloving behavior. HE and YOU should be ashamed of yourselves! I found it fustrating to watch the relationship between father and child in this last episode and find you are totally off base. I think you have a relationship like Ashlee with your father and that is way you side with her. This is something VERY UNNATURAL and NOT THE NORM. I think you should go hide under the rock from which you came!
I couldn't agree with you more. I am astonished at how many people are sucked in to Joey's manipulative and victim behavior, not to mention her inappropriate comments. I lost all respect for Joey during the speed-dating episode. Ashlee may have high standards as a result of extreme pampering from her parents BUT at least Ashlee was kind to the men during the speed dating. Joey was rude and offensive. BTW: Making the guys at that event feel uncomfortable and "beneath her" was not nice!!! Not nice at all Joey. And certainly NOT funny!!!
nataliaevaafter Nothing that you stated here is true. Joey wasn't trying to manipulate her father. What upset her was the fact that her father was dismissive of all she is trying to accomplish with Kissamint. He is treating it like a pipe dream instead of an actual business. THAT is why she cried. Ashlee is constantly attacking Joey. Ashlee's relationship with her parents is not healthy or normal. In fact, Ashlee and her fathers relationship is disgusting and gross. Who's father tells their daughter to shake her butt as she walks away. DISGUSTING! Ashlee is always putting people down in and out of social situations. You want to know why?!?! Ashlee is INSECURE! Ashlee is a pathetic excuse for a human being. With all that access to money and all the time she has, what does she do? NOTHING! Does she have a job? NO! Does she have an education? NO! Does she help humanity? NO! If Ashlee is anything, it is a parasite. Sucking off of everyone around her. Ashlee is a volatile person. Saying that anyone could learn any manners from that Pig makes me laugh. For you to believe what you wrote above is just sad!
If you are looking to that bobble head Ashlee to define your personality then you are going for really low standards. People like her will never understand people like you, as you have to earn a living, attend college, and fight the corporate ladder. All she has to do is ask Daddy, But you should not concern yourself with her at all. Please take a moment to look in the mirror and recite your accomplishments, OK?
You are a beautiful person. Ashlee is a moron. She's jealous because she can't be an independent person like you.
The funny thing is, Ashlee is so myopic she will see that Joey is the fan favorite and will justify it to herself and her friends saying, "Well duh, of course 'middle Americans' identify more with the poor girl."
Joey…. People who live in glass house’s should not throw stones. From what I have seen of you on this show, you do seem sarcastic, rude at times and yes… you have made some mean comments. I do think that you tend to pick on Ashlee, and I think you might be jealous of her relationship with her parents (I am not saying that the relationship is normal), but you make fun of her a lot. You are nothing special honey. Just sayin.
Agreed. Joey....you are also 30 and single and wishing your father would let you stay living with him. I think you are very jealous of Ashlee.
cjjx6 I agree - I find Joey's attitude really unattractive. She comes across as the most entitled of the bunch. She expects her father to take care of her financially and she's 30 years old. She should be paying him rent. Welcome to life, Joey. You have to work for what you want. I thought she was so rude to those guys at the speed dating event - in her mind, she was just having some fun. But it was ugly to watch and downright rude. She is not a nice person.
Joey, I like you a lot! You are savvy, smart and very sexy! Be thankful you don't have "rich parents" because you become a gazillionaire, you would have done it on your own...Because you have to survive on your own, you will develop those skills you need to be centered, successful and stable in life...looking forward to seeing you in the rest of the shows. From a guys in Rockville Centre... ;-)
You are far from a "bad" person. You are an honest person, the best kind of person. You are smart and a true friend. Do not let Mama Dukes bring you down to her level.
You've won the fans over Joey! No excuse for someone to try and turn friends against you. That's when she lost me as a fan!
"And yes, I can even accept her not being fond of me because of where I live!"
Heck no, Joey. Don't let Ashlee get off that easy. It's been painfully clear since Episode 1 that Ashlee has major entitlement issues and exhibits disgustingly classist behavior. By Ashlee's definition of "classless," Ms. Erica definitely takes the cake, and yet she has no problem hobnobbing around with her. So what we're left with is the real reason Ashlee doesn't like you: Ashlee's parents have money. Yours do not. Ashlee believes herself to be hereditarily superior to you because she grew up in a nicer area than you did. Because her mommy and daddy buy her whatever she wants. And you know what? That's the worst breed of classist, because at least someone who earned their own money might have a slight reason to think of themselves as superior to someone who hasn't. Ashlee's "money" is her parents' money. Her self-proclaimed "classy" status is entirely contrived.
And when push comes to shove, she'll never understand the value of a dollar. And when the day comes when her parents' money runs out, or (God willing) they cut her off, she won't know what to do with herself. I think we all know no self-respecting man is going to marry that mess of daddy issues.
You do not come across as a bad person at all!. You're my fav cast member on the show and the one I would most want to have as a friend. Stay focused on what is important and ignore the riff-raff.
No, you don't have to be liked be everyone, but it helps to start oufrt by being likeable. Your family sense of humor excuse doesn't wash here--no matter to whom you were directing the "funny looking" comment to, they would take it badly--particularly in a conversation with someone with whom you already have a tenuous relationship. It would appear that your family's sense of humor's mean, so I'd leave that at home with your family.
You have come off, from moment one, as someone with a huge chip on her shoulder about North versus South Shore, and all that implies. It sees you enter into petty resentments that aren't very becoming. From the out of control guest for whom you took no responsibility at the pool party to the bizarre questions at the speed dating event, you refuse to take responsibility for making a bad (or less than ideal) situation better. Is Ashlee sensitive, overindulged or very close to her parents? Perhaps--but these don't make it right for you to use them as a skewer to attack her. Want to fit in better? It doesn't require a shoe purchase or a generous daddy--simply be the bigger person. You appeared to handle your freak marketing friend with regard to his horrible advice to position KIssamint as an entree to sex; try that level of self-preservation with your peer group. It will color all your interactions,and probably open up a lot more doors than not taking responsibility.
This is a great post, and I second the comments about the mean "sense of humor."
marlothomas actually kissamint seems to be a decent idea, compared to anything else we've seen from that group.
I think the comment was directed at that marketing guy, who did seem creepy, rather than at the product!
I agree, I think Joey is just envious of Ashlee, the comment about the ring so what if your father wants to give you a present. Get a life.
Joey, just cruise around the internet, you'll see, you are WELL LIKED. . . . . can't say the same for you-know-who!
You are a professional and independent young woman. As the mom of one, I respect your hard work and determination. Stop wasting your tears on the coddled and spoiled - and keep working towards your goals. You're not going to mesh with everyone - So, hold your head high and carry on. Best of luck to you!
Why care what Ashlee says? Look at where the criticism is coming from. Who is she to judge you? She lives in a protective bubble and you live in the real world. Maintain focus on your project and let the negative comments roll off your back. Do that and in the end you will succeed.
Joey, you don't have to defend yourself. You're the fan favorite. Personally, I would love to see Bravo put on a show about you and Chanel living in New York and trying to make it on your own. Many women and girls could identify with both of you. The other girls, except for Ashlee and Erica (both trainwrecks), could still be involved but to a lesser extent. I liked Casey in the beginning but sometimes she's pretty mean and judgemental. I can't imagine why someone would take Ashley's side against you.
That's an awesome idea re a show, or at least re-directing the focus of this show, to Joey and Chanel. They are by far the most relatable and their issues as young women are more compelling. Chanel feeling like there is something wrong with her because she's not married in her mid-20s. Many young women suffer under this stigma. And Joey wasn't raised in a warped LI Princess bubble. She's smart, kind, and funny as hell. Casey has serious emotional baggage, if getting cheated on in high school has caused her such horrible trust issues. Half of us have divorced parents, many the result of adultery, and we've ALL been cheated on. Get some therapy and get over it. Plus Casey is friends with Ashley, which also speaks volumes. Bravo should boot Ashley and the others to a lesser role and focus on Joey and Chanel.
Well said, Joey! You're right we don't need to be liked by everyone.. and Ashlee is the perfect example of someone who's opinion should NOT MATTER to beautiful, hard-working ladies like yourself. Very happy to see you keeping your head up and not letting her bring you down!