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Camille Grammer

Back in Time

Camille explains the emotional exhaustion of this episode's events, and rewatching the show

Nov 11, 2010

Hello to all of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Fans everywhere.

I got exhausted just watching the show. It makes me cringe in so many ways.

I just had gotten back from Hawaii and was off to NYC with my family and a few friends. I remember how excited I was to go see my husband and best friend. It had been at least two months since we had seen each other, because of both of our busy schedules.

First, I have to say the apartment was tastefully decorated. It was my first choice when I had gone to NYC apartment hunting with Kelsey a few months earlier. It's funny to watch myself talking about the apartment in this episode because it only proves the cameras can't be there to catch everything. Kelsey was becoming increasingly concerned about the size of the apartment after living there a few months. I was wrong about the square footage. He likes his personal space and with only two thousand square feet or so it was going to be difficult to meet his needs, not to mention the kids. I guess I had internalized Kelsey's concerns and shared them with the camera.

In the few weeks leading to this trip, Kelsey became less interested in when I would be moving to NYC to join him with the kids. The one thing he did share with me was that he was thinking he wanted to move to NYC full time. I told myself he was still in the Honeymoon Phase with his play, but truthfully I realized something was wrong. You know the uneasy feeling that never leaves, it's there when you wake up and there when you go to bed. When I arrived in town I couldn't wait to see him. He just wasn't the same loving partner that had left me a few months before. It was a sad day for me. In spite of my personal disappointment I wanted my children to be happy and enjoy our time together as a family.  And I still had no idea of what would be coming.

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Hi Camille, Well after finding out all the hell you were gonna go through with the marriage ending...that explains some of your reaction. I just thought you should accept the apology and move on...and if an incident like this happened again...well then you could just end all associations with her. Anyway, life happens...the little incident is over. I think it must be awful to go through a divorce with a famous actor..especially in the public eye. I feel for you and anyone who goes through a divorce...not fun and it's like a major ending (like a death, so I am told.)

I do hope you are doing well and I think in a year you'll be feeling much better. (after going through the worst of it.) You look like you are in great shape! Makes me want to get back to playing tennis! I am not in bad shape but def. could be more toned and fit like you! ;-) Take care and spend tons of time with your lovely children! You will get lots of love from them and they are your family!

All the best! Kim San Diego, CA

I've had friends like kyle and it always seems to be some sort of competition. It blows my mind how 88% on the poll were team kyle about this. Kyle totally said what would anyone be interested in you without kelsey, obviously she's jealous. Kyle is beautiful but she's no blonde bombshell like camille and she is the one projecting her insecurity. I feel sorry for Kyle having to try so hard to one up you or bring you down. I don't blame you for being offended but I'm sure you can be above it. How you could ever trust Kyle I don't know.

Hmmmm...for it to be so insignificant you really wanted to keep the fire burning. I think it was ridiculous that after you had this conversation with Kyle you decided to act childish and start talking about it AGAIN with the rest of the women who had nothing to do with it. While I am sorry about your other situations, this one could have been squashed in LA and not in NYC in front of the cameras.

I've had friends like kyle and it always seems to be some sort of competition. It blows my mind how 88% on the poll were team kyle about this. Kyle totally said what would anyone be interested in you without kelsey, obviously she's jealous. Kyle is beautiful but she's no blonde bombshell like camille and she is the one projecting her insecurity. I feel sorry for Kyle having to try so hard to one up you or bring you down. I don't blame you for being offended but I'm sure you can be above it. How you could ever trust Kyle I don't know.

She said you didnt need to feel insecure because you told her you are PAINFULLY shy and feel like you are an "outsider" around the other ladies. So Kyle responded by telling you everyone liked you and you didnt need to feel insecure around them. If you could twist around her COMPLIMENT as an insult, then clearly you twisted what she asked about Hawaii.

I have to think that Kyle did say something snarky because she has a sense of humor like that. Klye did snark on the plane when the girls went to see the Kings play, when hearing Camille had her children via another woman, it was to preseve her figure. Snarky!

I try to like you, but you I believe don't get along with women for a reason. The way you have to have the men sit by you, not the women. You invited Kyle there and then had to start it back up again at drinks. Not very mature. You are the one the brings up Kelsey and being in his shadow all the time. I believe you heard it, not that she said it. Wow, two months not seeing your husband. There was no reason for that.

I really think you took ALL of it the wrong way! The look on your face when Kyle was appologizing-you were already thinking the wrong way.I don't think you even heard what Kyle was saying.You were just looking for your next fight.

Camille - You are too sensitive & owe Kyle an apology. Kyle was just asking you about your spring break plans & somehow you felt attacked. This seems to verge on paranoia and believe Kyle is right when she said you need help. I'm sorry about the break-up with Kelsey. It must be hard for you and your wonderful kids. You just need to lighten up and not read into things.

Camille,

I actually believe you. There is something about Kyle that I can't put my finger on in this situation. She seems like the girl in school with all the friends and the hot boyfriend who always won; so now that the truth behind who she really is was revealed, she seems not to know how to handle it and gets frustrated very easily. Although I don't necessarily understand you at times on the show, I agree that you wouldn't lie about something like this. You had no reason to villianize her.

Dear Camille, I don't agree with your statement in saying this was not you being insecure. I have had same situations and accept the fact that I too have been insecure when I am not comfortable with those I am surrounded by. You too were insecure when surrounded with many women that you are still getting to know. You yourself said it. Being insecure should not offend you and surely affected your state of mind. I think you are a sweet woman that means good but as I've told myself many times, make sure that whatever I say is concrete and can't be misconstrued, especially as you are being recorded. Hope that you gather your strength and can get through what you've been going through in such a public manner. God bless you and hope words don't such as "insecure" don't offend you in the near future. As I you seem to show in the show, you know who you are as an individual, so don't allow words to bring negativity or controversy into your life. A.C.

You handled yourself with A LOT of CLASS! Kyle was like an animal. Good luck with you! I think you are one of the sweetest housewives to date.

Camille, Since the news came out about you and your husband seperating we never heard about your side of the story. How many things have I read at face value and didn't realize the depth behind the scenes. Sorry for the breakup but how could Kelsey fall for someone that fast? Now that I have seen his kids and family life ,he had it all. Maybe you will let us know someday. I hope you and Kyle have made up. I DO feel maybe you have a sensitive chip regarding Kelsey. But what Kyle was saying to you is that HE doesn't make or break you. You are fine with/without him. Maybe it didn't come off well, but hope you guys work it out. Your Mom is too much. She is still what we refer to as cute.

wow you really just cleared things up. Nice blog.

I really don't know whose side I am on now. I vote for you twice, then I voted for Kyle twice because I changed my mind. Then I voted for you one time again because I changed my mind, lol.

I remember what you said about Kyle taking the bulling way of communication and I have to say I agree.. I don't care if she said what you're claiming she said or not, she didn't have to react the way she reacted. I guess we can say her true colors came out? I dunoo... I really hate even forming an opinions because it always seems like I'm wrong because there's so much I don't know. Good job on staying composed. I hope you find love again and be happy and maybe next season you won't have depressing drama going on in your personal life.

I wish your mother well in her fight with cancer. I did watch in shock as you kept talking about yourself & life while your mother just sat there & politely smiled. Weird- but you claim you all are close? If you mom has cancer NJ & your husband is doing a play in NYC why can't you just relocate to be close to your family? Kids adjust. Its not like you can't pay for an exclusive private school.

It doesn't make sense that Kyle or anyone would make that kind of insult to anyone on the show. It is out of charater for anyone on the show. I think your comment "I win" is a little catty (you know, why you don't have women as friends and prefer to hang out with the guys). This is high school behavior and you need to move on.

I can't figure out your universe. You seem completely offended by Kyle's inquiries about your spring break, which seems like completely normal girl talk. And what you accuse her of saying is so ferociously insulting...truly fighting words. Does it even make sense that Kyle would have said that at that moment? At the same time, the only women we've seen you with besides the RH's are either employed by you or are content to fawn over you and have their husbands do likewise. I'm wondering if your perspective on girl talk is skewed....

Camille, I had set up in my mind how I wanted to tell you you were so wrong in the fight but your blog was so true, honest, heartfelt and emotionally exhausted - I just want to say - I wish you the best.

I seriously doubt there's any footage of Kyle saying such a thing and agree that you are acting insecurely. Take a step back and consider that with everything going on in your life and aroud you, it is very possible that you heard somethig that wasn't there. Let's be honest. You have A LOT going on and have every excuse to let it out. Just don't take it out on someone who really didn't do anything.

My heart really goes out to you, however, your totally misinterpret Kyle's frustration and using the word "insecure" Her frustration was because you weren't listening to her. And I felt you composer was conscious and minipulating. Your facial expression was evident, and you were so mean to Kyle. She obviously is very wholesome, conservative and classy. You were the first to admit you love attention, you "get along better with men" etc. I wish you would have given Kyle a chance, she would defintely would be someone who can be a good friend, and you owe her an apology. May God bless you, and hopefully things work out for you.

hang in there Camille...your lovely...and Kelsey down graded.

NO you're not insecure, what was Kyle thinking when she said that? I'm sorry for Kyle's behavior- she doesn't hear herself talk! How can she think she is right? She says things and then denies it! She's not worth your time- move on and away from her cause she's toxic!

Camille,

To be on the receiving end of Kyle's BULLYING behavior is not trivial and anyone else would feel the same as you did. A subtle bully tries to make others feel insecure and will deliver digs where they see a chink in the armor. (Kyle's sister has a lot of chinks in the armor, which is perfect for Kyle's bullying nature.)

If you really watch the show, you can see Kyle overstepping her boundaries to try and find those chinks in other people's armor. Many of her remarks are aggressive.

Regardless of whether she originally insulted you (which I think she did), the way she handled herself makes it look like she was indeed trying to cover her ass with very aggressive remarks. **The way she tried to make you look like the crazy one is also a tactic that bullies use when they are being called on their bullying. Hard to watch.**

Kim needs to realize that Kyle is a bully and is not good for her. Please tell Kim to read about bullying if you get a chance.

p.s childhood invalidation is often a cause of adult bullying

You're insecure about being insecure. see the irony?

You need to talk less and listen more. Regardless of all the mormonic superficial comments you make, your own mother was discussing her chemotherapy and you felt the need to one up her pain with being so tired from traveling to Hawaii with your staff. Get a grip.

Camille, When u got to NY I think U realized something was wrong in your marriage, and u took it out on Kyle. Maybe the insecure remark hit to close to home.

camille, im sorry for youre problem with youre husband. i think you are a beautiful person and have a good heart. but you need to focus on youre marriage and youre children more. and not on tv talking about youre blessings. all the homes you have. atc. all the nannies. etc. you need to take care of youre on children without all the nannies. face reality. everything you have you can loose it all in a second. maybe thats why kelsey found someone who dosent look at what you have but show him love in ways you didnt, having all that you have is nice and yall earned it. but bragging on it is not good. you need to sit back and watch youre self. then youd know what i mean. having what you have is nice but if you have no support and love you have nothing.

Honestly, I would like to see less of you, and more of the other women. You can tell that you try too hard for the cameras. You were wrong, and everyone watching can tell you were wrong. Why don't YOU just own up to it!!

I agree with Natalie B. I cannot help but cringe at the superficial things you say! I'm a huge fan of all the housewife shows and you dear are by far the most materialistic...and funny you've done nothing to earn it but marry a rich man. Maybe you should ask some of the many ladies rasing your children to teach you a lesson in humility.

I really don't think that you could really have a intimate relationship with anyone. I do not think that Kyle has any reason to be jealous of you. She has a great family and husband. She has a friendship with those she really cares about. I feel very sorry for you that you want to parade yourself in such a shallow way. You need help!!!!

I've met women like you! Your turn around a situation because you are insecure. Kyle did not mean it in a bad way she was trying to make you feel better. You overall insecurity made you see it differently. Just like the conversation regarding Hawaii you are so insecure about people wanting to be around Kelsey that you project it. Ironic how the camara wasn't rolling when that was said but I actually think in your head you believe she said it. Very sad. You are a beautiful women you don't need Kelsey maybe your children do but you can certainly move on without him. Good luck!

You need to apologize to Kyle ... you are just not getting it. It's too bad.

Camille, be very careful because what goes around comes around and your behavior with I have it all and gloating about having everything will come back to bite you in the butt. I watched last night show and realized what a great "real" life I have and do not have to live in such a fake world. Karma girl, Karma. PS, I don't believe that Kyle ever said that, I believe you heard what you wanted to hear. Who were you with in Hawaii anyways. hehe

Camille I got say that I am disappointed in the way you handled the whole thing with Kyle and i felt you should have just accepted her apologies to try and keep the piece on the trip. On another note I can admit that I felt Kyle probably disliked you from the start because she never even bothered trying to befriend you. I remember on the first episode on the plane and she had her back turned to you ignoring you like you were less than her.

Camille, you invited the ladies to NY to see your husband's new show, and then proceeded to ruin the weekend with your pettiness. Once you and Kyle talked it over - it was OVER. Why did you keep dwelling on it and bringing it up again and again. Is your need for attention that great that you have to blow a small misunderstanding into major blowout?

I think you've mistaken composure for passive/aggressive nonsense.

It's nice (for you) that you've had a chance to explain the myriad of personal things that might have been making you behave so poorly, but it doesn't change the fact that you did, indeed, inflame a situation instead of graciously accepting an apology (no matter how poorly you felt it worded.) Taking umbrage over small slights does NOT make you the "bigger person."

You weren't standing up for yourself in this situation, you were creating drama where none needed to exist.

Camille, you took the insecurity comment way too seriously! You seem to react very oddly to some of the things that are said to you.

I agree. It seems that you are more about winning than having peace.

Camille, you stated you are doing the show to "get out of my husband's shadow." What I see is a beautiful, intelligent woman with extremely low self esteem that truly needs some therapy to learn to love herself and get on with life. I too would cringe watching the show and hearing some of the asinine things that come out of my mouth. Unfortunately you need to accept the fact that being Mrs. Kelsey Grammer put you where you are today. Learn to choose your words carefully and when to say nothing. The "I will have the last word and I win" attitude makes you look very superficial and catty. You chose to expose yourself on this show - perhaps a very bad decision although I believe Lisa and Adrienne could prove to be very positive role models and friends to you. I wish you the very best as you deal with your divorce and your mother's illness - God speed.

Really Camille? You consider yourself the " winner"??

You are so beautiful, Your outer appearance puts most women to shame. However, You have failed to go within yourself and find inner LOVE and APPRECIATION. You have spend so many years taking care of Kelsey and everyone else and left out nourishing your inner self. It really does not matter what we think, but how you feel about you. Love and Peace, Jamie B.

I'm not sure what you wanted to get out of prolonging that discussion. Accept the apology and move on to a more peaceful place.

I think the whole situation was uncalled for in my estimation. It seemed like you enjoyed making Kyle mad.

Kyle apologized to clear the air and move on--she didn't feel that she did anything wrong but was misinterpreted, nevertheless, she apologized anyway. You accepted it, then demanded that she be more sincere about it. Reverse the position and you would have been indignant, too! Kyle did not believe that she said what you believed she said--yet you were demanding that she cop to it! What if that was demanded of you--would you have copped to something you did not say?.. That''s why you did not resolve your tiff. You wanted to prove yourself right and make someone beg you for forgiveness. Too bad.

Why didn't you spend Spring Break in NYC with your husband instead of going to Hawaii?

I think you blew it way out of content. You are adding too much to everything Kyle says. I really am trying to stay a fan of yours but the fact that you are just picking on Kyle and talking to everyone about what you "THINK" you hear instead of talking to Kyle is just not right. Kyle was the one who took you aside, she is obviously the BIGGER PERSON!! Grow up!

Kyle wasn't passive aggressive she was confrontational. Those are two different things Camille is obviously passive aggressive.

I am not going to concentrate on the Kyle drama when there is so much more important drama going on...how heartbreaking it must have been for you to realize that something was gone and you couldn't shake the feeling. When you first walked into the apt. and he greeted all of you, I thought he seemed stiff and almost aloof, his hugs were genuine, wow i really missed you guys hugs, guess that was hint 1 of the storm to come. He just came across frankly, a bit cold. While I cannot claim to yet be a fan of yours, my heart goes out to you, you have had to endure a very diffcult time and i think everyone should give you a HUGE break as to whether or not you overreacted to Kyle, who cares, its NOTHING in the scheme of things!!!!!! My goodness, the things people concentrate on! I hope you find solace, peace, happiness and love once again. I assume you will be taken good care of, finanacially and though its not the end all, be all to everything it surely helps to have a cushion of sorts. May I make a suggestion, Camille? Try to perhaps just cut the rope ever so slightly on how very attached and dependent you are on all that household help. You might get true enjoyment and satisfaction out of making a few meals, maybe even with the kids, spending more time with your adorable children, inviting friends over and doing something, in other words start taking charge but not necessarily dictating for others to do the work, get your hands dirty and do something new and different on your own...you might really enjoy it more than you can imagine. I think the household help whom you seem to be very close to, were like an extended family for you and you seeked their friendship and companionship and you can see you are very good to them but I think it might be very liberating for you to start getting a little more independent. I truly wish you the best.

If you were to listen to the the conversation as it was taped, you were saying what a really "shy" person you are. Kyle was reacting to your statement when she told you not to be insecure. People who are shy are typically insecure about something, whether it is there ability to speak to people they don't really know, or that they somehow don't feel comfortable when they first meet someone new. I truly believe that Kyle's "insecure" statement was made in that context, not as a "dig" to you. The fact that you take everything that is said as a possible insult or dig just proves the fact that you are insecure. But guess what? We ALL are insecure about one thing or another, it's part of human nature. You really need to stop making mountains out of molehills Camille, it makes it really hard for anyone to like you. When you have to walk on eggshells around you for fear of "insulting" you, it is too exhausting to build a relationship with you. And yes, the comment from you about "I win" made you sound childish and ridiculous. You certainly did not "win".

Kyle did not call you insecure, she said "don't be insecure about that", she was saying you fit in with the women and everything is fine. You are paranoid, and are definately insecure. By the way, at the beginning of the season, you said people sometimes act like "why would we want you without Kelsey". The fact that you said that BEFORE Hawaii shows that you turned what Kyle said into what you were thinking. You are picking on Kyle, and you will not win.