Garden Statements

Episode 20: Bravotv.com's Associate Editor takes a look at, you guessed it, the many finale fights.

on Sep 24, 20120

Season 4 has come to a big, sparkly, leopard-print close with friends and family in disarray. What happened when the smoke cleared after things blew up at the Posche fashion show? Has anyone made up? (And more importantly, what's Rosie been up to? I miss her.)

Well, we'll just have to wait for next week's reunion to learn the answers. If you've already recovered from the many, many arguments and can't possibly go on without a taste of reunion to come, who am I to deprive you? Enjoy this scene where Teresa goes after Caroline's weight and parenting. (Yeah, you can guess how that's going to go down.)



I wouldn't say there are best moments from this episode, so instead let us count down the most intense fights of the evening.

150 comments
rose65
rose65

IMO.. keep all the current people.  The hope is that Teresa sees what she has done to isolate herself and so many people tried to help her.  I think that's the main issue..it's tough to watch her go downhill like that.. but have hope she will see her actions and this show out of all has the most "family" like relationships and would love to see them on more trips and doing fun things together even if there is some discord... there's still hope that T will come around and stop her nonsense and be sincere and stop hating.  She thinks she is a one person show but if there was a Teresa show.. I wouldn't watch it for anything.  

penneyone
penneyone

Bravo,   Please no more from Teresa.  I'm ready for RHOBH and RHOA........

dtad
dtad

Bravo, please notice that every single blog and comment mentions Teresa. There is no show without her. 

ESinAZ
ESinAZ

Okay... does anyone else think it's hilarious that Jaqueline and Honey Boo Boo both pretend to sleep when they aren't being the center of attention?!?!  Two peas in a pod? 

bravoista
bravoista

 If you really believe Theresa  is the reason for the ratings then why not let her have her own show, which it seems she wants by the way she treats the other women, and keep  Melissa, Kathy and new cast members to revitalize RHWONJ. Theresa is toxic to the whole group and is spinning out of control. I really will not watch if Theresa comes back on the show for another season. 

nida614
nida614

Dear Andy,

 

I'm not sure where to post this so I choose here. 

you did the right thing Firing Jill Z, She has one of the biggest ego's I've ever seen no wonder you had to empty the club house in order to accommodate it. She is just over the top mean and not very self aware, did you not want to laugh in her face when she said her and Alex were on good terms? I did. 

 

She also stated you took B side in the fight, I kind of think you did as well but I also think you felt for (as did the rest of the viewers) B was going thru a lot at the time and lets face it. If given a choice on who to have dinner with her or B i think more people would choose B. I mean do you want to have a good time and a lot of fun or do you want to eat with jill.You made the right choice.

 

 I like the new cast. I think Avia Is learning about herself and will make a change accordingly and Heather I've grow to like. Car I love from the get go and love how she puts Lu right in her place. 

 

Kuddos Andy...... now lets just NJ Back on Track. Do not get rid of Tre... Kat can go she adds nothing and Jac is much like Jill. Maybe it's time for Jac to go......

JayJor0322
JayJor0322

I believe this whole thing was a MASSIVE set up on a few people's parts:

1. I think Teresa knew of the setup with KimD. While I do believe TERESA did not know WHAT the set up would be, she did know that Kim D. would try to humiliate Melissa. For being in the middle of a battle between a friend (Kim D) and family (Joe and Melissa), it is hard to choose sides.I believe T was wrong. HOWEVER SHE DID OWN THAT SHE KNEW SOMETHING WOULD BE HAPPENING.

2. I think Kim D. told Jacqueline about the setup and how T knew something would happen.  Kim D admitted that Jacqueline knew that something would go down also AND they talk on the phone for hours out of the day. Hmm... Sounds fishy to me. I think Jacqueline needed a reason to stay relevant and in T's business so she CHOSE to keep this set up a secret from Melissa and Kathie. One: so she would look like the good guy and Two: so she could blow it all up in T's face (PS- her reasons for not wanting to be friends with T anymore are juvenile. True friends DO not have to tell every aspect of their life and marriage to you. They only need to talk to you if they need advice. You only should be there for support.)

3. Jacqueline told Caroline because she can't operate without her. Caroline owes no loyalty to anyone but Jacqueline so her motivation to refrain from saying are pretty evident. (Friends are kept close; Enemies are kept closer)

4. As for Melissa and Kathy, while I do think it is sad what happened to Melissa, I do not for a minute believe she took ALL these jabs from T for all these years and was so innocent. Because NO woman could do that. And Joe does not seem like the type to just continue taking peoples mess and let it roll of his back. if T was honestly behaving to Melissa that way and IT was only T (as Melissa put it), Joe as much as he loves his sister would never have stood for that. Kathy to me is a disgrace. For you to call someone's mother a liar is horrible. Theresa never said your father wasn't there or why, she said HER father was there for you as well, and judging by the fact that your father died, I believe her dad AT SOME POINT may have been there for you and Rosie as T said. PS- Rosie never denied on the SHOW on a 1:1 bases with T that you were horrible to her. She only did it on the couch, on the reunion show, in front of all you Teresa bashers. I wonder...

 

THINGS THAT LEFT ME HANGING: Why not expose the "close" friend who sent you the text message (Jac, you are not a true friend anyway); How did Mel feel when Kim D said everyone knew of the setup? Why does Caroline constantly equate the 15 year friendship between T and Dina to her 9 month friendship to Melissa and Cathy?

mexfan
mexfan

I know that its pretty clear by now that the Giudices just can't stop lying but just to add one more thing. Joe Giudice said that he was speaking to his "spanish worker" that is why he was speaking another languaje when his wife caught him talking on the phone. He was NOT speaking spanish to this worker but italian... I would know this because I SPEAK SPANISH!!!!

tiredofyoupeople
tiredofyoupeople

Kim D.'s explanation for the 'set up' was ridiculous and so transparent. She says she was so "revengeful" because Melissa promoted a different store? First of all, who is Kim D., that she believes Melissa owes her any loyalty?? And why would she include Teresa in her little revenge plot unless it was a collaborated effort on BOTH their part to humiliate Melissa?Teresa had everything to do with that pitiful display because that's what she does. Just like the stupid comments she writes in a book about the rest of them...for NOT continuing to support her infantile behavior. Put a fork in her - she's DONE. Unwatchable.

LadyK2507
LadyK2507

Honestly bringing Melissa and Kathy on the show really has ruined the show completely.  They came on the show with one mission and that was to start mess with Teresa.  This show is no longer enjoyable to watch because of the mess that they have brought to the show.  People want to speak badly about Teresa but until these two came on the show she NEVER acted the way shes acting now.  I feel really bad for Teresa being attacked every time she turns around.

cehemise
cehemise

Will Teresa continue to squeak like a hampster throughout the reunion?

Is there something wrong with her voice?

rosyposy
rosyposy

We love, love, love Kathy and Melissa.  And Joe Gorga is a doll.  Melissa brings missing glamor, and Kathy brings sweetness and grace.  That woman does not have a mean bone in her body.  Her husband is a hoot.  Put Rosie in Teresa's spot, so we see more of her lovable character.  Send Teresa packing.  She is ignorant and a liar.  It was interesting for a while, but we are sooooooo tired of her. 

fan444
fan444

This season was difficult to watch - particularly because of Teresa's behavior.  There is a point where you have to take a step back and wonder if her participation is starting to become destructive to her, her family and her state of mind.  She is not the same person from years past...:(

Larae88
Larae88

There were no problems with Teresa before her family came on TV!  It is very sad that they would come on the show behind her back to try to ruin her.  And for the people who don't believe that, WATCH THE SHOW!  That's what they have been doing for the past two seasons, look at RHONJ now.

rjdomi
rjdomi

am i the only one that see this? Jaqueline is at the center of everything. This bit about Melissa being a stripper and Jaqueline all of a sudden is getting texts that Theresa is involved, please. Or when she set up Theresa with Caroline. Just watch the faces she makes and the remarks she makes at the reunion. Melissa and Kathy always say how important  family is yet they are the first to stab tre in the back. Kathy gets upset because Theresa doesnt jump at her apology yet tre did everything but kiss Carolines rear and Caroline keeps the stick up her backside but thats ok. Caroline, you try to bully everyone all the time, watch the show.  Im sorry Melissa, you are a karaoke singer at best.  Melissa, you took too long to answer the question about selling your house. You had to make sure that you had made it about Theresa. They all better hope Theresa doesnt leave the show, who will they all blame ?

Fireflyone
Fireflyone

Melissa and Kath destroyed the show

april-jennifer
april-jennifer

this show stresses me out. I mean i love drama but this is just depressing. I'm going back to RHONY.

Janedoe22
Janedoe22

i think teresa is so stupid she is so guilty i think she lies so much she actualy starts believing them she is the one that i jelouse of everyone else

 

Monica7277
Monica7277

Hopefully we don't see Caroline, Jacqueline or kathie next season.

mcduff
mcduff

I've watched this show from the beginning so am fairly familiar with the old cast members and their history.  Watching them interact with one another and the new cast members this season has resulted in my opinion that this cast has gone as far as it can go.  When the ladies begin to despise one another and act immaturely, it is time to quit the playground.  Part one of the reunion show was a hate fest full of silly insults and pointing fingers.  It is so hard for me to relate to these women anymore, which I find sad as I truly liked them in the beginning.  The worst moment was seeing Jac break down about her son while Teresa showed absolutely no compassion.  No matter what has occurred between them, it is never okay in my rule book to play off someone's tragedy or obstacle as if it has no relevance.  The only way I'll watch next season is if Teresa moves on so that the old cast can regroup, or the old cast leaves so new members can create something fresh.  The Bravo formula of promoting an atmosphere of cast and viewer fights is getting old on all of the housewife shows. I understand that watching other people be miserable can take our minds off our own problems, but maybe it's time for something better for us viewers.

merriment
merriment

I don't think Teresa is an angel. However, the plot line for the past two years has clearly been to demonize her and have everyone gang up on her and talk about her husband's alleged affairs.

 

She seems able to take it.  However, appearances can be deceiving.

Oofa
Oofa

I don't believe everything I see and read but maybe just maybe this is true--a season 5 shake up for RHNOJ!......"Jacqueline [Laurita] and Kathy [Wakile‎] were not made offers, so Jacqueline won’t be back but look for Kathy to return in a limited capacity. Currently three [new] women are under consideration to join the cast. Caroline Manzo was made an offer to return and declined — it is possible she is waiting for a bigger offer or has something up the pipelines. She had only participated in season 4 so that her children would get exposure for their business ventures.”

Teresa was on Anderson Cooper twice this week and she said she doesn't know about season five yet

ladybug2005
ladybug2005

It was painful for me to watch how cruel Caroline was to Lindsey.  It was hard to see the look of defeat on her face while she was being bullied by her boyfriend's mother on national TV and how sad Albie looked because he knew this girl was right to leave him.  Reality TV at it's worst.

Annie003
Annie003

 @rose65

 Teresa really doesn't need these negative and toxic people in her life!

shar2261
shar2261

 @myhemic It is the Teresa show, if she goes, the show goes.  Everyone else is boring!

Annie003
Annie003

 @bravoista

 Teresa has said many times she will not let these women run her off the show!

Besides without her there would be no show at all, the others are so boring it would be cancelled for low ratings!  LOL

fannychanel
fannychanel

 @Larae88

 

This is my opinion like it or not… To say there were no problems with Teresa before her family came on confuses me.  Wasn’t she the one who lost control of her behavior and temper and flipped a table?  She then went on in the reunion losing control to the point she needed to be held back and given a warning? I saw on this yeas reunion she lost control again…..See the pattern…... if it’s not them it will be someone else. It is disturbing to watch. It is not up to Teresa as to who comes on the show. So what if she didn’t know they were coming on the show, they are on it so make an effort to make it work and enjoy it.  It says a lot about her character if she is still upset about it after two years. I like the show much more with them on.The problems I see are the ones Teresa creates for herself.

shyla.vincent.7
shyla.vincent.7

 @Larae88 She said herself she wasn't speaking to her family before they ever came on the show!

Oofa
Oofa

 @Larae88 Correction there were problems before her family came on TV.

 

ferntree
ferntree

 @pjbeaudry

 Loved Wendy Williams and I rarely catch her show.  She was direct and answered every question.

JayJor0322
JayJor0322

 @rjdomi I agree.. Jacqueline is the root of all evil. If Theresa is a liar and a horrible friend, look what she has to be friends with. The saying goes... Show me who your friends are and...I'll show you who you are.

 

On the contrary however, I somewhat felt bad for Melissa. i don't think anyone deserves to be the butt of a setup as she was but I also think she knows how Theresa feels now.

mcduff
mcduff

 @Monica7277

 I think they are so burned out by now that their intensity makes viewers uncomfortable.  They deserve a break from the madness.

kleemzz@yahoo.com
kleemzz@yahoo.com

 @mcduff But it was ok for wacko jacko to lie and scam her friend, and if you did see Teresa's face SHE DID FEEL BAD WHEN HER FRIEND JACKO BROKE DOWN, re watch the footage, Teresa doesn't speak well when she is being attacked, that has been clear from day one, but you can't say she didn't have any compassion for her long time best friends child MAYBE YOU SHOULD WATCH A DIFFERENT SHOW SEEN HOW YOU DIDN'T GET THIS ONE!!!

CathyB
CathyB

@mcduff Agreed that it is somewhat disturbing to watch the rhonj for the reunion, but it's not fair to blame bravo for 'promoting an atmosphere of cast and viewer fighting'. Not to create more drama or sound combative, but all the women from every city have been arguing and carrying on. Working in a female dominated profession, sadly, this behavior s consistent with how adult females communicate with one another. Women are territorial, competitive, and don't know how to stick together. There is too much office gossip, vicious lying, backstabbing and poor communication. Every one of my friends and I agree men are better to work for, are not caddy, don't get involved in malicious rumors or gossip and just want to see the job get done.

k217
k217

 @Oofa if jacqueline and kathy are off the show, i'm not watching.  i like to see some normal people.  teresa is the one who needs to go.

JMRN
JMRN

@Oofa Caro-boss is probably holding out for more money, but there is no way I will watch her sour puss again, and the fake Melissa who has skated by and not been taken to task for any of hundreds of lies.

mcduff
mcduff

 @ladybug2005

 Caroline is a little too involved in her adult children's lives.  Mom's opinion carries a lot of weight.  She can afford to back off and let them flop or fly on their own now.  Failure is the best teacher we have in life regarding the consequences of our decisions.  If she's taught them good life skills and lessons, she can have confidence that the lessons will be applied.

bittersweet4
bittersweet4

 @OCally  @Larae88

 Teresa was baiting Danielle because Teresa knew the lies Danielle was spreading around town & were given to Danielle by none other than "my heart is pure" Melissa Gorga.  There are enough of these marathons running that anyone with a brain could see that was the reason.  "Pay attention!"

mcduff
mcduff

 @lilbit21  @april-jennifer

 Yes, Aviva is becoming the new version of Teresa by creating confrontation and division within her housewife group.  I see Aviva as being more articulate in vocabulary than Teresa (education vs. street smarts doesn't always mean one has an advantage over the other, however).  Aviva and Teresa are alike in that they do very little open analysis of their own behavior and owning their actions.

 

mcduff
mcduff

 @kleemzz@yahoo.com

 Yeah, I did watch it at least twice to be sure.  I think Teresa does feel compassion but doesn't verbalize it.  I don't hate Teresa for her issues, I actually feel compassion for her because of her limitations.

mcduff
mcduff

 @ALasVegasHousewife

 Numb is possible, Teresa has not been successful yet in getting anyone to listen to her side of the story.  Gotta wonder why the entire cast is expressing frustration with her, though.

mcduff
mcduff

 @janjenkins  @mcduff

Agree, Teresa is bringing them together by being the villain but the ladies do talk about each other.  There's too much distrust and paranoia going around for them to be at a comfortable level.  The vacation trip proved that they will break down in the end and go back to being critical of one another no matter what good is accomplished.  I don't hold ill will toward Teresa, I think she's acting like an emotionally and verbally abused wife by being in denial.  She thinks she can hold onto her current life by being prettier, smarter, sexier and better than ever.  None of them are terrrible people, but they do have problems with reality as the viewer sees it.

LilyLove
LilyLove

 @Trippin-it  @merrimentI

 I agree regarding the finances.  I just think that Teresa's personal info was so much more out there because of all the publicity she engaged in outside of the show.  I could be wrong.

bittersweet4
bittersweet4

 @pat.cary1  @Oofa

 I read it somewhere, probably the famewhorgas website, but I did read it & yes, it may be "SPECULATION" but out there for the viewing public. 

Oofa
Oofa

 @pat.cary1 Actually I copied the info from Perez Hilton's website. I just put it out there. I don't think it's fact but since that was printed, so much more speculation has been written.

mcduff
mcduff

 @OCally

 There was a girl that Albie really liked but Caroline wasn't too thrilled.  I gather that Caroline's a bit old-school and wants him to focus on success plus not shack up with a girl.  I may have that wrong because I watched that to a point and missed how that turned out.

shar2261
shar2261

 @mcduff  @ALasVegasHousewife Caroline turned on Teresa because of what she wrote in her cookbook about her. Jacqueline just followed as she always does!  Kathy and Melissa came on the show with drama already with Teresa. I just wonder why Teresa's parents are not involved with her brother and Melissa.  Parents don't take sides on thier children because of another child!

bittersweet4
bittersweet4

 @pat.cary1  @ALasVegasHousewife  @mcduff

 Once again, go back and watch the marathons.  Teresa showed concern over Ashley (with Jacqueline).  It was only when the cast members started turning on Teresa that she became mistrustful aka the ambush on the patio, the Solstice party, the pool party.   Don't mistake betrayal for non compassion.